KJV Alterations Of Tyndale's Translation

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  1. Rippon

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    First of all I found some additions to Tyndale's New Testament that were unwarraned by the KJV revisionists . In my little study of only Matthew , Mark and Luke I found the following verses which tried to supplemet the TNT ( Tyndale's New Testament ) . I'll just give the references -- you ( plural ) can look them up yourself -- I'm not going to all the eork for you !

    In Matthew : 2:9;5:12 ; 25:15 ; 27:54
    In Mark : 15:3
    In Luke : 1:21 ; 2:5 ; 3:17 ; 8:40 ; 10:2 ; 18:7 ; 19:40 ; 22:59

    The Gospel of John and other books of the NT will have to be posted at a later date .

    Their are a number of out-of-date words ( as could be expected from a translation nearly 500 yers old ) . Perhaps Ed or others could tell me if one of the later major revisions of the KJV like the one in 1769 purged these words from the KJV we know and use today . the following old words are not necessarily the only refernes to a particular word .

    assoil -- Matt. 21:24
    burthens- Matt. 23:4
    debite - Matt. 27:14
    gobbets - Mark 6:43
    arede - Mark 14:65

    William Tyndale also used some Latin-based words a time or two -- but much less than the KJV team did . For example "concupiscence" in James 1:14 and "superfluity" in James 1:21 .

    Willaim Tyndale used "similitude" instead of "parable" . He used "happy" instead of "blessed" most of the time . He also used "much people " instead of "multitude " much of the time . He basically kept it simple .

    In the following T stands for Tyndale's Translation and K stands for the 1611 version .

    Mark 11:22 T - Have confidence in God

    Mark 11:23 T- shall not waver in his heart

    Mark 5:7 T- require
    K- adjure

    Mark 11:8 T - strewed
    K - strawed

    Mark 15:44 T - And Pilate marvelled that he was already dead
    K - And pilate marvelled if he was already dead

    Mark 15:43 T - begged the body of Jesus
    K - craved the body of Jesus

    Mark 16:13 T- told it to the remnant
    K - told it unto the residue

    Mark 16:6 T - be not afraid
    K - Be not affrighted

    The rest of my examples are from Luke .

    18:30 T - much more
    K - manifold more

    19:30 T- to wit what every man had done
    K - that he might know how much every man had gained by trading

    19:48 T - For all the people stuck by him , and gave him audience
    K - For all the people were very attentive to hear him

    21:14 T - Let it stick therefore fast in your hearts , not once to study before what ye shall answer .
    K - Settle it therefore in your hearts , not to meditate before what ye shall answer .

    14:36 T - that ye may obtain grace to fly all this that shall come
    K - that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things

    22:37 T - even with the wicked was he numbered
    K - and he was reckoned among the trangressors

    23:12 T- they were at variance
    K - they werer at enmity between themselves

    23:26 T- to bear it after Jesus
    K - that he might bear it after Jesus

    23:32 T- evildoers
    K - malefactors

    23:41 T- We are righteously punished
    K - And we indeed justly

    22:5 T- promised
    K - covenanted

    Perhaps some of you still prefer the KJV renderings because it "Just feels right " . Over all , I prefer Tyndale's NT to that of the 1611 Tyndale modification and subsequent adjustments of the same . The 1611 makes an improvement here and there . But for the most part William Tyndale's translation flows better with powerful sentences . He also often sounds contemporary --as surprising as that sounds . At times WT dips into Latin-based words as I mentioned earlier . But he largely stays true to Anglo-Saxon expressions . We are accustomed to the phraselogy of the 1611 ( where minor changes were made ) yet WT's wording could just as well have been retained 85% of the time with no damage done . However , the light revisionists would have had even less work to do .
     
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    Matt. 16:18 in Tyndale's
    And I say also unto thee, that thou art Peter: and upon this rock I will build my congregation. And the gates of hell shall not prevail against it

    Matt. 16:18 in KJV
    And I say also unto thee, That thou are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the galtes of hell shall not prevail against it

    Matt. 8:20
    to rest his head (Tyndale's) to lay his head (KJV)

    Matt. 17:18 healed (Tyndale's) cured (KJV)

    Luke 19:4 wild fig (Tyndale's) sycomore (KJV)

    Luke 19:21 strait (Tyndale's) austere (KJV)

    Luke 23:32 evil doers (Tyndale's) malefactors (KJV)
     
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    Matthew 1:19 in Tyndale's
    Then Joseph her husband being a perfect man, and loth to make an ensample of her, was minded to put her away secretly

    Matt. 1:19 in KJV
    Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily

    Matt. 1:24-25 in Tyndale's
    And Joseph assoon as he awoke out of sleep, did as the angel of the Lord bade him, and took his wife unto him, and knew her not till she had brought forth her first son, and called his name Jesus

    Matt. 1:24-25 in KJV
    Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: and knew her now till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name Jesus
     
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    The Tyndale translation is at the top and the KJV is below . I'll start off in the book of Matthew .

    3:7

    who hath taught you to flee from the vengeance to come ?

    who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come

    3:17

    in whom is my delight
    in whom I am well pleased

    5:32

    break matrimony ... breaketh wedlock
    commit adultery .. committeth adultery

    5:47

    What singular thing do ye ?
    What do ye more than the others ?

    6:7

    babble not much
    use not vain repetitions

    6:34

    Care not then for the morrow , but let the morrow care for itself ; for the present day hath ever enough of his own trouble .
    Take no thought for the morrow : for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself . Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof .

    9:13

    I have pleasure in mercy , and not in offering
    I will have mercy and not sacrifice

    11:28

    and I will ease you
    and I will give you rest

    14:14

    and saw much people , and his heart did melt upon them
    and saw a great multitude and was moved with compassion toward them

    14:15

    the day is spent
    the time is now past

    14:16

    They have no need to go away
    They need not depart

    15:9

    men's precepts
    commandments of men

    15:26

    It is not good
    It is not meet

    16:22

    Master , favour thyself this shall not come unto thee
    Be it far from thee , Lord : this shall not be unto thee

    16:23

    Then turned he about , and said unto Peter : Come after me , Satan; thou offendest me , because thou savourest not godly things , but worldly things . [ notice " men" is not in the text ]
    But he turned , and said unto Peter , Get thee behind me , Satan : thou art an offence unto me : for thou savourest not the things that be of God , but those that be of men .
     
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    18:3

    except ye turn
    except ye be converted

    18:7

    it cannot be avoided but that offences shall be given
    it must needs be that offences come

    18:26

    besought him -- Sir , give me respite , and I will pay it every wit
    worshipping him -- Lord , have patience with me , and I will pay thee all

    19:6

    that which God hath coupled together
    what therefore God hath joined together

    19:12

    He that can take it , let him take it .
    He that is able to receive it , let him receive it.

    23:15

    to bring one into your belief
    to make one proselyte

    24:7

    in all quarters
    in divers places

    24:12

    shall abate
    shall wax cold
     
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    Continuing in Matthew . Tyndale at the top and the KJV below .

    2:10

    When they saw the star , they were marvellously glad.
    When they saw the star , they rejoiced with exceeding great joy .

    24:22

    for the chosen's sake
    for the elect's sake

    24:35

    my words shall abide
    my wods shall not pass away

    24:39

    knew of nothing
    knew not

    24:40

    the one shall be received , and the other shall be refused
    the one shall be taken , and the other left

    24:48

    My master will defer his coming
    My lord delayeth his coming

    25:15

    after his ability
    according to his several ability

    26:37

    in an agony
    very heavy

    26:63

    I charge thee
    I adjure thee

    27:54

    Of a surety
    Truly

    27:64

    come and steal him away
    come by night and steal him away

    28:14

    And if this come to the ruler's ears , we will appease him , and save you harmless .
    And if this come to the governor's ears , we will persuade him , and secure you .
     
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    Continuing in the book of Mark ... T/K

    1:10

    And as soon as he was come out of the water
    And straightway coming up out of the water

    6:11

    It shall be easier
    It shall be more tolerable

    6:31

    For there were many comers and goers
    for there were many coming and going

    7:4

    which they have taken upon them to observe
    which they have received to hold

    8:38

    this adventurous and sinful generation
    this adulterous generation

    10:21

    had a favour to him
    loved him

    10:45

    to give his life for the redemption of many
    to give his life as a ransom for many

    11:8

    strewed them in the way
    stawed them in the way

    11:14

    while the world standeth
    hereafter forever

    11:22

    Have confidence in God
    Have faith in God

    11:23

    and shall not waver in his heart
    and shall not doubt in his heart

    12:6

    Yet he had one son whom he loved tenderly
    Having yet therefore one son , his wellbeloved

    12:10

    The stone which the builders did refuse , is made the chief stone in the corner
    The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner

    12:15

    He understood their simulation
    But he , knowing their hypocrisy

    12:37

    And much people heard him gladly
    And the common people heard him gladly [ common not in the original ]

    12:40

    under colour of long praying
    for a pretence make long prayers


    14:12

    the paschal lamb
    the passover

    14:31

    And he spoke boldlier
    But he spake the more vehemently

    15:32

    checked him also
    reviled him

    15:43

    begged the body of Jesus
    craved the body of Jesus

    15:44

    And Pilate marvelled that he was already dead
    And pilate marvelled if he were already dead

    16:6

    Be not afraid
    Be not affrighted

    16:12

    After that he appeared unto two of them in a strange figure
    After that he appeared in another form unto two of them

    16:13

    and told it to the remnant
    and told it to the residue
     
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    A Continuation

    I thought I'd save some space by not creating another thread. Quite frankly I don't know what I was talking about in the OP. And it was filled with typos and misspelled words.

    In this continuation I will simply show side-by-side comparisons of some phrases from both the Tyndale translation and the KJV from the book of Romans.

    I do prefer the Tyndale translation to the KJV. For the most part its language is easier. The KJV revisers leaned heavily upon it via the Geneva mostly.

    1:21
    K : their foolish heart was darkened
    T : their foolish hearts were darkened

    1:23
    K : changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man
    T : turned the glory of the immortal God unto the similitude of the image of mortal man

    1:28
    K : not convenient
    T : not comely

    2:7
    K : To them who by patient continuance in well doing
    T : to them which continue in good doing

    2:11
    K : no respect of persons
    T : no partiality

    2:17
    K : makest thy boast of God
    T : rejoicest in God

    2:18
    K : instructed out of the law
    T : informed by the law

    2:20
    K : An instructor of the foolish
    T : an informer of them which lack discretion

    3:25
    K : Whom God had set forth to be a propitiation
    T : whom God hath made a seat of mercy

    4:25
    K : for our offences
    T : for our sins
     
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    Continuing In Romans

    5:15
    K : But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God and the gift by grace
    T : But the gift is not like as the sin; for through the sin of one, many be dead. Much more plenteous upon many was the grace of God and gift by grace

    5:20
    K : Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound.
    But the law in the meantime entered in, that sin should come.

    6:14
    K : For sin shall not have dominion over you.
    T : Let not sin have power over you.

    6:19
    K : I speak after the manner of men
    T : I will speak grossly

    7:3
    K : so that she is no adultress, though she be married to another man
    T : so she is no wedlock-breaker, though she couple herself with another man

    7:23
    K : warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity
    T : rebelling against the law of my mind, subduing me

    8:1
    K : There is therefore no condemnation
    T : There is no damnation

    8:5
    K : they that are after the spirit the things of the Spirit
    T : they that are spiritual are ghostly minded

    9:16
    K : So then it is not of him that willeth nor of him that runneth
    T : So lieth it not then in a man's will or cunning

    9:22
    K : fitted to destruction
    T : ordained to damnation
     
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    Romans

    10:1
    K : they have zeal for God
    T : they have a fervent mind to Godward

    10:4
    K : For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believeth
    T : For Christ is the end of the law, to justify all that believe

    10:9
    K : thou shalt be saved
    T : thou shalt be safe

    10:10
    K : For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness
    T : For the belief of the heart justifies

    10:18
    K : Yes verily
    T : No doubt

    10:21
    K : gainsaying
    T : speak against me

    11:22
    K : Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God
    T : Behold the kindness and rigorousness of God

    11:32
    K : For God hath concluded them all in unbelief
    T : God hath wrapped all nations in unbelief
     
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    Concluding Romans

    12:1
    K : present your bodies a living sacrifice
    T : make your bodies a quick sacrifice

    12:8
    K : do it with simplicity
    T : do it with singleness

    12:10
    K : Be kindly affectionated one to another
    T : Be kind to one another

    12:16
    K : Mind not high things, but condescend to men of low estate. Be not wise in your own conceits.
    T : Be not high-minded, but make yourselves equal to them of the lower sort.

    12:19
    K : but rather give place unto wrath
    T : but give room unto the wrath of God

    13:12
    K : works of darkness
    t : deeds of darkness

    14:1
    K : not to doubtful disputations
    T : not in disputing and troubling his conscience

    14:4
    K : Yea, he shall be holden up
    T : Yea, he shall stand

    14:20
    K : But it is evil for that man who eateth with offence
    T : but it is evil for that man which eateth with hurt of his conscience

    15:19
    k : I have fully preached the gospel of Christ
    T : I have filled all countries with the glad tidings of Christ

    16:18
    K : by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple
    T : with sweet preachings and flattering words deceive the hearts of the innocents

    16:20
    K : shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly
    T: tread Satan under your feet shortly
     
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    Two witnesses are better than one. I like my four Bible book: KJV1769ish bible, NASB, NLT, and NIV.
     
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    You said it, not me.

    :laugh: [​IMG][​IMG]

    Sorry! But that was just too good an opening to pass up! :D

    Ed
     

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