KJV Holy Bible Christians founded the U.S.A.

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  1. makahiya117

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    KJV Holy Bible Christians founded the U.S.A.

    There were no manuscript revisions of the AV 1611 KJV Holy Bible
    until the RV 1881 Revised Version, only spelling, punctuation
    and measurement editions.

    John Alden brought a KJV Bible to America on the Mayflower.

    John Wheelright quoted from a KJV Bible in a 1636 sermon.

    Noah Webster collated the spoken English language
    and produced his famous dictionary.

    Webster's 1828 dictionary matched the KJV Holy Bibles.
    This simple historical fact clearly demonstrates
    the obvious source of American language.

    Language is word definition.

    Since the U.S. Supreme Court (1963) removed prayer and Holy Bibles
    from public education, including higher education,
    the general education grade level has reached an all-time low.

    The decline of the United States of America is the direct result of apostasy.

    Today, college graduates don’t have enough knowledge to understand
    academic theology or enough faith to believe the scriptures.

    Consider the motives of individuals who have removed the KJV Holy Bible
    from educational curriculums and how ridiculous it is for an individual
    to consider themself educated, having never read the most published
    and loved book of all time.
     
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    The year of the bible in the united states

    THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA
    1983 YEAR OF THE BIBLE
    JOINT RESOLUTION OF THE U.S. SENATE S.J. 165
    AND THE U.S. HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES H.J. 487


    WHEREAS THE BIBLE, THE WORD OF GOD, HAS MADE A UNIQUE CONTRIBUTION
    IN SHAPING THE UNITED STATES AS A DISTINCTIVE
    AND BLESSED NATION AND PEOPLE.

    WHEREAS DEEPLY HELD RELIGIOUS CONVICTIONS SPRINGING FROM
    THE HOLY SCRIPTURES LED TO THE EARLY SETTLEMENT OF OUR NATION.

    WHEREAS BIBLICAL TEACHING INSPIRED CONCEPTS OF CIVIL GOVERNMENT
    CONTAINED IN OUR DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE
    AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

    WHEREAS MANY OF OUR GREAT NATIONAL LEADERS,
    AMONG THEM PRESIDENTS WASHINGTON, JACKSON, LINCOLN AMD WILSON,
    PAID TRIBUTE TO THE SURPASSING INFLUENCE OF THE BIBLE
    IN OUR COUNTRY’S DEVELOPMENT,
    AS IN THE WORDS OF PRESIDENT JACKSON THAT THE BIBLE
    IS THE “ROCK UPON WHICH OUR REPUBLIC RESTS”.

    WHEREAS THE HISTORY OF OUR NATIONS CLEARLY ILLUSTRATES THE VALUE
    OF VOLUNTARY APPLYING THE TEACHING OF THE SCRIPTURES IN THE LIVES
    OF INDIVIDUALS, FAMILIES AND SOCIETIES.

    WHEREAS THIS NATION NOW FACES GREAT CHALLENGES
    THAT WILL TEST THIS NATION AS IT HAS NEVER BEEN TESTED BEFORE.

    WHEREAS THAT RENEWING OUR KNOWLEDGE OF AND FAITH IN GOD
    THROUGH HOLY SCRIPTURE CAN STRENGTHEN US AS A NATION
    AND A PEOPLE.

    NOW, THEREFORE, I, RONALD REAGAN, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
    OF AMERICA, IN RECOGNITION OF THE CONTRIBUTIONS AND INFLUENCE
    OF THE BIBLE ON OUR REPUBLIC AND OUR PEOPLE, DO HEREBY PROCLAIM
    1983 THE YEAR OF THE BIBLE IN THE UNITED STATES.

    I ENCOURAGE ALL CITIZENS, EACH IN HIS OR HER OWN WAY,
    TO REEXAMINE AND REDISCOVERING IT’S PRICELESS AND TIMELESS MESSAGE.

    FEBRUARY 3, 1983, 9:00 am-est
     
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    Considering that the KJV and older Bibles like the Geneva Bible would have been the only ones available at the time, this fact suggests that is the reason that this would have been what the founding fathers used. Not because they necessarily believed it to be the only good version.

    Aside, not all of the found fathers were Christians. Christianity plays a big part in the history of America, as some of those in it's history did have a very strong faith and this inspired them. But it was never intended to be the government's official religion. That would be against the constitution and first amendment.

    Also, I don't know for sure, but I heard that the pilgrims had the Geneva Bible and didn't trust the KJV because it was commissioned by King James. That would make sense, to them it would have been something from the church of England--the thing they were trying to leave.
     
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    Webster's 1828 dictionary matched the KJV Holy Bibles.

    This simple historical fact clearly demonstrates

    the obvious source of American language.
     
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    Actually, the KJV translation was a product of the language of it's times. It was the way language was used at the time, so it was translated into something people at that time could understand.
     
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    That's silly. You made that up.
     
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    No, not really. Anything translated from another language has to be translated in such a way that the people speaking the language it's translated to can understand it.


    An entire language and new words can't created from a translation, otherwise how would anyone be able to understand it? Imagine trying to read Beowolf or the Odysee from translators who used language and words you don't know and that don't exist in a dictionary.
    That is essentially what you are saying by implying that the KJV created America's version of English.


    English was the language from England, and since America's founders were largely from England, that is where our language started. It's evolved over time since then, as language always does, which is why American English and British English have some differences between them.
     
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    Mak: Why do you constantly repeat the same ole' same ole' over and over and over again --even though you have been corrected numerous times?

    Do you think you are impressing anyone? Do you think you have presuaded anyone over to your novel and error-filled views?

    Have you ever acknowdged any mistakes on the BB?
     
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    Check this link
     
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    Check this link[/QUOTE]

    Hm. :)
    I actually have the Geneva Bible on a Bible app. At first I'd compare it to the KJV during my devotions. It's not too different.
    You can even download the Tyndale version on the Bible app I have. I haven't tried that one, though.
     
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    Hm. :)
    I actually have the Geneva Bible on a Bible app. At first I'd compare it to the KJV during my devotions. It's not too different.
    You can even download the Tyndale version on the Bible app I have. I haven't tried that one, though.[/QUOTE]

    I am not aware of the difference - but you are probaly correct. The point is that many Pilgrims did NOT use the KJV -

    (please note I had not properly used the "quote" feature in my post # 9 - but I have corrected it in my edit)
     
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    Salty, here's a better WND link regarding the KJB in colonial America:

    http://www.wnd.com/2007/02/39977/

    That other link is a thinly veiled advertisement for the 'Tolle Lege Press' Geneva '1599' reprint.

    Here's just one of the howlers found on Tolle Lege's genevabible.com website —they had no problem fixing the spelling, but refused to correct cross reference errors found in the precious notes because:
    Parish the thought!!!:laugh:
     
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    Thanks,
    but do you think that makahiya117 will accept it
     
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    That does seem to be true, yes.:thumbs:
     
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    Mak : I think your time on the BB may be nearing its end. You need to get with the program. Act like a reasonable person. You're treating us all like enemies. And your spam output is in remarkably bad taste.
     
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    You know, we don't need to treat this like some sort of battle. We're all one in Christ, there is no reason we should be so divided over this issue. Biblically we are commanded to respect differences we can't resolve.

    I have family and relatives that are KJO. But we are still family and we still love and support each other.

    We are all brothers and sisters in Christ. There are always going to be individual issues we may never see eye to eye on. That doesn't need to estrange us from one another.
     
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    While this may be a bit of a tangent, but one needs to bear in mind that the "Pilgrims" of 1620 (Those that came over on the Mayflower & founded the Plymouth Plantation[w/ their capital at Plymouth.].) were NOT one and the same as the "Puritans" of c. 1630 ff.

    Although both groups had some similarities, they also had some significant differences as well.

    The 1620 "Pilgrims" were of the separatist branch of the Church of England (later known as the Episcopal Church here in America).

    These separatists (as their name implies) wanted a complete separation from the CofE because they considered the CofE at that time still too closely tied to the RCCh--thus, beyond the capability of being reformed or "purified." They also tended to be more of the lower middle socio-economic class & even had at first some socialistic economic tendencies.

    The Puritans, who arrived some 10 years later and founded the Massachusetts Bay Colony with their capital at Boston, still clung on to the hopes that the CofE could be "purified" (Hence their name.). However, King James I (r. 1603-1625) as well as his 2d son King Charles I (r. 1625-1649) were dead set against tolerating ANY opposition to ANY aspect of the CofE as they saw it.

    Therefore, through various measures, the American Puritans eventually realized that they probably could not purify the CofE as they had so disparately hoped to do. This led them to leave Britain some 10 yrs later. Most of the American Puritans tended to be members of the upper middle (or higher) socio-economic class.

    It should also be noted that while both of these groups came to the New World for religious freedom, the Puritans came only for religious freedom for themselves (NOT for any other person or group---The early Baptists were severely persecuted by them!)

    So, what happened to the Pilgrims? By the latter part of the 17th century the PlyPlant's population and economic viability had dwindled such that they were eventually assimilated into the MassBayCol; thus losing their separate indigenous identity.

    What does this have to do w/ which Bible these groups used? Probably not too much....I think it's safe to say that members of BOTH groups had access to both the Geneva AND the KJV, and more than likely used both. [In my research, so far I've never found any movement that would resemble a Geneva-Bible-ONLY factor in either group.]
     
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    So, mean ole King George was persecuting the 'Christian' colonists, eh?

    Was he hanging them on crosses, some lit afire to light the streets?

    When a real tyrant was doing that very thing to real Christians, God gave them these words...

    persecuted, we suffer it 1Corinthians 4:12

    Christians are (to be) a peculiar people, when John and Peter were beaten for preaching Christ, they REJOICED. Acts 5:41

    That is peculiar, isn't it?

    Where was their indignation, they, after all, had their inalienable rights did they not? LOL

    Oh say can you see, any contradiction here?

    Christianity - persecuted, we suffer it 1Corinthians 4:12

    Americanianity - persecuted, we KILL it 1776 - 2013
     
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    There's also another way of looking at what "peculiar" in 1 Pet 2:9 may mean.

    The English word used here has its origin from the Latin pecunia which has to do with the use of money (cf. "pecuniary").

    IOW, it's not referring to the contemporary idea of "odd, strange," but rather to the idea that we, as God's people, are "purchased" people--purchased by the BLOOD OF THE LAMB!! :jesus:
     
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