KJV ONLY Foolishness

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  1. No Deceit

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    The KJV controversy is a massive subject, in which, literally thousands of arguments may be used by advocates of the KJV translation to "prove" their point. D. A. Waite, in his book, Defending The King James Bible (copyright 1992), has at the end of his book (on pages 284-307) a list of " OVER 900 TITLES DEFENDING THE KING JAMES BIBLE " (including a "suggested gift" for each title). The reason this arsenal of "evidence" exists is because, not only are they arguing over the entire text of Scripture, that is, any word(s) or verse that may not have been translated the way they believe they should have been, but they are also contending over several different English translations (and different Greek manuscripts followed). This provides for them an enormous amount of words to contend over. They are among those who are "doting about questions and strifes of words" (1 Timothy 6:4 KJV; NKJV "obsessed with disputes and arguments over words").

    Typically, the KJV is set up as the standard, and therefore, anything that doesn't line up with the KJV is consequently erroneous. Peter S. Ruckman (Bible Baptist Bookstore, P. O. Box 7135, Pensacola, FL 32514, ph. # 904-477-8812), who is on the far right of this controversy, wrote in his booklet entitled About the "New" King James Bible (copyright 1983, revised 1987),

    Now the New "King James" Bible, like every English translation since 1884, had to compare itself with the original Authorized Version of 1611, for this is the STANDARD that God set up whereby to judge all translations. (p. 15, italics and capitals in the original)

    Contrary to Ruckman's claim (which is a lie), God sets up no such standard. Scripture (Hebrews 4:12-13) sets no such standard. Yet, men do (Colossians 2:8), and they judge according to their own measure.

    In Matthew 7:1-2 Christ said,

    Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. (KJV)

    Typically, KJV advocates acclaim the original 1611 KJV. And, they impugn all other English translations, including the NKJV. In their rejection of the NKJV, their folly is more easily manifested.

    Not only are verse comparisons given, which is dealt with, in part, below, but fault is found by some (e.g. Terry Watkins, New King James Counterfeit , tract) based on the triquetra symbol (found on many, not all, NKJV Bibles) claiming that this symbol is a Satanic symbol. Using this same kind of measure (Matthew 7:1-2), these KJV advocates should reject their own 1611 KJV.

    In the 1611 KJV there are two Suns each having a face on the very front cover, and on the first page of the New Testament. Since when does the Sun have a face? Is not this imagery consistent with the worship of the Sun? Would this not then be a Satanic idolatrous symbol or picture?

    Also, following Catholic tradition (which is demonic, 1 Timothy 4:1-3; Colossians 2:8), the 1611 KJV has an Easter calendar (28 pages from the page with "To The Most High and Mightie Prince, Iames . . ."). In the pages following this calendar, there are several "Holy days" listed, some of which include Christmas (a Catholic/pagan "Holy day"), different saints, "Epiphinie", "the purification of the blessed Virgin", and "the Annunciation of the blessed Virgin". Five pages from the Easter Calendar, at the bottom of the page are two naked Cupid (Roman god of love) looking beings with wings. Also, at the beginning of the New Testament, at the bottom of the pictorial page there is a Cupid looking head with wings. Using the same kind of measure some use, the 1611 KJV should also be rejected.

    In fact, the 1611 KJV is far worse, because between the Old and New Testaments lies (in more ways than one) the Apocrypha. This group of books is filled with false doctrine contradicting much of what is taught in the Old and New Testament (Please see our report on the Apocrypha ). Right smack in the middle of the 1611 KJV is a group of books that teach a great deal of false doctrine (some of which are clearly "destructive heresies", 2 Peter 2:1). KJV advocates, who praise the original 1611 KJV Bible (with its Apocryphal writings) and condemn the NKJV because of its triquetra symbol, are hypocrites, especially when they set the 1611 KJV up as the standard.

    More points to come.

    In His love,
    al soto
     
  2. Ed Edwards

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    Amen, No Deceit.
    Thank you for your thoughtful insite.

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    Originally posted by Ed Edwards:
    On a Bulletin board that says:

    This is an independent, fundamental Baptist
    discussion board that
    accepts the King James Bible (AV 1611) as
    the perfect word of God
    and the final authority in all matters
    of faith and practice.

    I posted this:

    Romanes X:9 (KJV1611):

    That if thou shalt confesse with
    thy mouth the Lord Iesus, and shalt
    beleeue in thing heart, that God hath
    raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saued.


    It was edited out with this note:

    "Note: Quotations from all other Bibles deleted
    by the administrator."

    The quote of the same verse from KJV1873 was
    allowed to remain.

    Tee hee, a KJB1611 site that
    doesn't accept quotes from
    the KJV1611. Tee hee.
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    And here is more matter from a nutral site:
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    Dear Mr. Edwards,

    Laugh now while you have the chance.
    You came to our discussion board knowing
    our stand on the King James Bible and
    yet you decided to stir up a little trouble.
    You quoted Romans 10:9 from many different
    bible versions trying to prove that
    they all stated the same thing.
    In the middle you used King James Bibles
    from 1611, 1769, and 1873 trying to
    make it look like they were all different.
    The deletion was to get rid of your redundancy
    as well as your quotes from modern versions.
    So laugh all you want to because
    I am banning you from our board.

    /name surpressed/

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    Tee hee, a KJB1611 site that
    bans KJV1611 quoters ???

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  3. Pastor_Bob

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    No Deceit,

    It is customary, when we copy and paste from a website, to provide the link to that website so that all might be able to read the post in the context of the whole project.

    As your name implies, I'm sure that you didn't want others to assume that these thoughts are original. Below is the link to the page from which you copied.

    http://www.atruechurch.info/kjv.html

    God Bless,

    Pastor Bob

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  4. RaptureReady

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    Coming from a calvanistic website, this doesn't mean much.
     
  5. RaptureReady

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    This website is not only confused about the Bible, but salvation. They first say "God choose to love only a few people and destined them to eternal life in the kingdom of heaven. He chose to hate the rest of mankind and destined them to hell for eternity." Then in their salvation plan they say this, "Everyone needs to be saved because, "there is none who does good, no, not one" (Romans 3:12), and because God "has appointed a day on which He will judge the world" (Acts 17:31). When God judges the world, all who have not been saved will be judged according to their deeds (Romans 2:6) and cast into the lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). They will be in endless torment for all eternity (e.g. Revelation 20:10; 14:11; Isaiah 66:24; Mark 9:43-48). Every one indeed needs to be saved!

    So which is it, some are chosen or all need salvation.

    This is the confusion that occurs when you turn from God's infallible word.
     
  6. ScottEmerson

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    Avoiding the points, are we, Homebound?
     
  7. RaptureReady

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    Not hard to do when there's not any.
     
  8. Dr. Bob

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    No Deceit is a non-baptist, posting in a restricted area (along with the cut-and-paste failure to attribute plagiarized material)

    We have warned him and are closing this thread as per BB policy.
     

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