KJV testimony from the field

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  1. Pastor_Bob

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    The following quote was received from Missionary George Smith, serving in Timmins, Ontario, Canada through Baptist Missions to Forgotten Peoples, Inc.

    This quote is not presented to make a point or to initiate a debate. Just an interesting testimony that I wanted to share with you.
     
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    This quote is not presented to make a point or to initiate a debate. Just an interesting testimony that I wanted to share with you. </font>[/QUOTE]the missionary shd've been correcting the false teachings of KJBOism rather than condoning them.

    having people hiss "Yea hath God said" when "questioning their newer versions when compared to the KVB [sic]" is definitely NOT a good sign on the mission field.

    may God have mercy on those young believers.

    :confused:
     
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    Why is it the mv advocates always resort to the same ol'song and dance? They continually vaunt their obseession in total disregard of simple truth. By my observation of the quote, even the simple notice big differences in the mv's when compared to the KJB.

    Bob, good point. It seems the mv crowd has this demand we accept their view of KJVO, while their view is over-ridden by obsession. Doesn't this indicate an "MV" view Only? :rolleyes:
     
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    Glad to know missionaries in Northern Ontario are so diligent in preaching the Gospel instead of wasting their time spreading dissent amongst Christians.

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Then she should just buy a copy of The Message and all will be well. [​IMG]
     
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    Because the MV uses better manuscripts than the KJV. Quite simple, actually.

    You don't have to accept anything, just understand what KJVO leads to, that's all. There hasn't been a single MV-preferred person who has said anything like the KJVO's on this board, so we are definitely NOT MVO, but good try nonetheless.
     
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    Pastor_Bob wrote:

    “She said her husband’s bible read like a story but it left out much of the MESSAGE. I don’t know about you but I got just a-little bit excited. Amen! We have two others questioning their newer versions when compared to the KVB [sic] as well. (Hebrews 4:12)”

    Forever settled in heaven (but apparently NOT on earth) replied:

    “...having people hiss "Yea hath God said" when "questioning their newer versions when compared to the KVB [sic]" is definitely NOT a good sign on the mission field.”

    (1) Young believer reads his/her Bible & discusses what it says with friends.

    (2) Notices immediately that some versions LEAVE OUT words and verses.

    (3) Asks Missionary/Pastor about the descrepancies.

    (4) Forever settled in heaven (but apparently NOT on earth) detects ‘the hiss’ of the serpent in the questioning of the young believer but NOT in the MV ommissions from the scriptures by “old” believers...

    Forever settled in heaven (but apparently NOT on earth) IMHO, has a huge lack of spiritual discernment.

    Jeremiah noted the FACT that Jehudi cut out pages from the scriptures.

    The NIV, to name just one MV, cut out the equivalent of 136 pages from the scriptures when compared to the KJV. I know, I know, some MVs think its unspiritual to 'compare' the versions to see what the MVs left out...

    Jer 36:23 - “And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
    Yet they were not afraid, nor rent their garments, neither the king, nor any of his servants that heard all these words.”


    How can Christians today be like the Bereans in Acts 17:11, who listened to the preaching of Paul and “received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so” when emissaries of the serpent have chopped up the scriptures to the extent that even a new convert immediately notices the many excisions from the scriptures.

    And how are we to evaluate the “spirituality” of men who attack the new converts and detect ‘the hiss’ of the serpent in the absolutely normal questions of the new converts RATHER THAN in the vicious attacks on the scriptures made by the MV translators?

    Have we really reached the point where a new convert or a young Christian cannot even point out the thousands of differences between the versions they and their families read?
     
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    Give that man an NASU95 and then he can read and understand the message in his own language.

    That is a poor testimony from a missionary. That man needs to come home and let someone else do evangelism. If he gets thrilled over a translation, that makes me wonder about his ministry. John said that he had no greater joy than to know his children walk in the truth. John was making disciples not KJVO's.

    When I first became a Christian I was given a KJV and quit reading it very quickly. I told the man who led me to Christ that I couldn't understand much of it at all. So he took me to the local Bible bookstore and we bought a NAS. That was in 1972. I read that same Bible for five years until it was literally falling apart. I had to tape it together in several places. The covers were badly worn and falling off the rest of the Bible. The point is that people will read little or nothing of what they don't understand, and if they read it will comprehend little. Shortly I read that NAS for about one hour each day starting with five minutes a day after I purchased it. The KJV got about ten minutes total time before it became an antique and eventually tosed out.

    I have heard people mention to me at how their preacher spends time trying to help the people understand the meaning of a KJV word when they looked in their NAS and it was right there.
     
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    You should re-read the post again. I came to a totally different assumption, of course that is in regard to the fact :rolleyes: s, not opinion.
     
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    rbrent...

    I'm more worried that the KJV has all those added words that were most likely not found in the originals. I believe there is something in the Word that talks about that as well.
     
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    And all this time I thought that KJVOs were the only ones that made the version issue a test of fellowship. :rolleyes:

    1. This individual is doing a remarkable job reaching people with the gospel. He has started two churches that are both growing and doing well, and gb93433 would have him come home because of his version preference????? How many people have you lead to the Lord using any version this year, sir?

    2. This man does not make a big deal of the version issue. He uses a KJV and then simply responds to natural questions as they arise. Since when is it wrong to promote a version that you feel you can put your faith in?

    Ransom, if that's what you consider "spreading dissent amongst Christians," then you're just wrong; that's all there is to it.

    3. I get thrilled anytime a new Christian comes to me with a question that was birthed from spending time in their Bible. I can share in Brother Smith's joy.

    I think I'll recommend to the church that we double the Smith's support each month. [​IMG]
     
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    "I think I'll recommend to the church that we double the Smith's support each month".

    Amen, PastorBob! That's wonderful & I'm sure it will be greatly appreciated! I'm so glad you shared this item with us. [​IMG]
     
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    Amen from me as well. Missionaries need all the financial support they can get. [​IMG]
     
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    Sounds like it would have been an excellent opportunity to disciple these young believers. He could have told them the history of how we got the Bible, of why honest Christians can disagree over what is the most accurate version of the Bible without sacrificing doctrine/fellowship, and even why he thinks the KJV is superior to others without using circular reasoning.

    Instead, it seems that he may have planted a seed of prejudice in these new believers against Christians who disagree with him on Bible versions.
     
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    Once again, Scott, you have severed yourself as a credible and rational person; " words that were most likely not found in the originals ".

    You pervert Rev. 22:18,19 to attempt proof of your opinion. It's real hard to add something that isn't already there, and if anything, the mv's are in violation by taking away from the meaning and principle of the Word of God.

    Er, since you accuse the KJVO's of violation of verse 18, they are plagued, but alive. Now this is all totally according to your opinion.

    If we look at the mv crowd in the light of verse 19, we find that your names are removed from the Book of Life, the Holy City, and the things written in "this book", meaning the Bible.

    So you wish to deal with KJVO from verse 18, but not yourselves from verse 19? That there is the true form of all hypocrisy, thinking you're something YOU'RE NOT! :D

    Praise God for a missionary who won't bow to the antics and demands of mere men! Increase his support!

    Bob, give me the means by which this missionary receives his support and I'll gladly contribute!
    I'm serious, PM me and I'll send the funds.
     
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    You would have to read an awful lot into the statement to arrive at this misguided, erroneous conclusion.

    I can imagine if it were a Missionary getting excited over a new Christian rejecting the KJV in preference to the NASB, you would stand and applaud the wisdom and insight of the Missionary.
     
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    That is just it - the words most likely were not already there. That is where scholarship comes in - where those who are learned examine the texts that we have available and struggle to determine what was actually said. That is in no way taking anything away from the meaning and principle of the Word of God - it is actually us seeking to understand as completely as possible the meaning and principles written by the authors.

    And, interestingly enough, those who read MV's are not plagued either. Funny how that works, huh? The KJV was written to the best of the ability by those who translated it. Modern translations are also written by the best of their ability. However, when comparing the two, the texts used by the modern versions are, in mine and others opinions, closer to the original text. I believe that God's word does not return void, whether it is found in the KJV, the Message, or another translation, insofar as it is accurately translated. Because of this, I can praise God when a person comes to Christ regardless of what text they use. However, when comparing the two, I must, in good conscience, side with many of the MV's in several categories.

    And that's what the MV's try so desparately not to do - to take away OR add things that were written in the originals.

    Well, I'm content and okay with the status of my salvation. Since my name has not been removed from that book, it makes sense that I have not been removing words from the Word, right?

    Of course he is - he's bowing to the antics and demands of the Ruckmans of the world, and bowing to a false god, instead of placing complete and utter faith in Jesus Christ, who has used many different translations to spread the gospel of Christ.

    Any missionary who is leading others to Christ deserves to be supported, regardless of their denomination or belief in Bible texts. As long as their mission is to help others come to Christ, I will stand with them, even if we disagree on some theological issues. I hope that all Christian brethren would do the same.
     
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    No, no, no! Not at all! I would rejoice that he or she found a version that they understood and would be exciting about reading!

    That's a big difference between KJVO's and those who are not, I think.
     
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    You would have to read an awful lot into the statement to arrive at this misguided, erroneous conclusion. </font>[/QUOTE] Really? What was the missionary excited about? In the previous sentence, he says that one of the new converts said that a new version left out much of the message. The following sentence says that two others were "questioning" their newer version when compared to the "KVB as well".

    If my deduction of why he was excited is incorrect, please tell me why he was excited. Why does he seem to be pleased that someone is "questioning" their Bible? Would he be likewise pleased if these converts were "questioning" the KJV because it differed from the NASB?

    No. I would stand and applaud if he had the character and honesty to do exactly what I suggested above.

    I believe that the Holy Spirit can use either the KJV or the NASB to sanctify a believer if they understand what they are reading. My joy would be in their growth, not their choice of Bible versions.
     
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    God Bless to all the missionaries all over the world. [​IMG]
     

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