KJV vs. modern Bible Versons

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  1. livin'intheword

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    Just a little FYI for those who are still stuck on the idea that the KJV isn't the only one that should be used. Here are a few cases where modern versons of the Bible have taken the word of God and chopped it up.

    1. The Good News Bible (Also called Todays English Verson)
    a)The GNB questions the VIRGIN BIRTH OF CHRIST by removing the prophecy of HIS VIRGIN BIRTH in Isaiah 7:14
    KJV: " A VIRGIN shall conceive"
    GNB: " A YOUNG WOMAN will have a son"
    b) The GNB questions the ETERNAL PRE-EXISTANCE OF CHRIST by tampering with Micha 5:2 and removing the word "everlasting"
    KJV: " from EVERLASTING"
    GNB: ""from ANCIENT TIMES"
    c)The GNB alters our Lord's DIVINE GOODNESS by deleting the word "good" from Matthew19:16-17
    KJV: " GOOD MASTER, what good thing shall I do..Why callest thou ME GOOD? There is none good but One, that is God."
    GNB: " TEACHER....what good thing must I do..why do you ask me CONCERNING WHAT IS GOOD? There is only one who is good."
    ( As far as I'm concerned, that all together changed the message of that verse,changed the word of God
    d) the GNB eliminates Christ's Divine SONSHIP in John 6:69
    KJV: " We believe and are sure that thou art the Christ, THE SON OF THE LIVING GOD."
    GNB: " We believe and know that you are THE HOLY ONE who has come from God."
    e)The GNB omits Christ's title " Son of God" in John 9:35
    KJV: "Son of GOD"
    GNB: " Son of MAN"
    f0 the GNB rejects the reference to our Lord's INCARNATION in I Timothy 3:16
    KJV: " GOD was manifest in the flesh"
    GNB: " HE appeared in human form"
    g) The GNB replaces references to Christ's "blood" with "death." Man of the numerous passages which speak of the "Blood of Christ: ( I Peter 1:18-19), without which there is no redemption, are mutilated and the vital words have been effectively expunged from the GNB. ONe example is Ephesians1:7:
    KJV: " In Whom we have redemption through His BLOOD"
    GNB: " For by the DEATH of Christ we are set free."
    Another example is IPeter 1:18-19
    KJV: " But with the PRECIOUS BLOOD of Christ"
    GNB: " By the COSTLY SACRIFICE of Christ"

    In fourteen other places which speak of the Lord Jesus Christ, "Blood" has been removed in the GNB and has been replaced with "death" or "sacrifice."
    We all know that God said without the Blood of the Lamb, we have no hope, by removing the Blood from the word..they have removed the hope we all can have in Christ. All of this information was found in the back of my husbands Bible printed by "The Bible For Today Inc."
    I'll be posting KJV vs. other versons soon.
    Paula
     
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    KJV vs. NIV
    1. The NIV distorts Christ's Work of Redemption.
    a) Verses which speak of our Lord's coming to save men
    (1) Matthew 18:11
    KJV: " FOR THE SON OF MAN IS COME TO SAVE THAT WHICH WAS LOST"
    NIV: The entire verse is omitted.
    (2) Like 9:56
    KJV: " FOR THE SON OF MAN IS NOT COME TO DESTROY MEN'S LIVES, BUT TO SAVE THEM."
    NIV: This portion of the verse is omitted.
    b)Removal of the Blood of Chirst in Colossians 1:14
    KJV: "In whom we have redemption THROUGH HIS BLOOD."
    NIV: " In whom we have redemption."
    Note: The NIV translators have removed "through his Blood." why? Satan hates the Blood of Christ because the Blood Christ cleanses us from all sin ( I John 1:7) and Gods people overcome Satan by the Blood of the Lamb (Revelation 12:11)
    c) The NIV distroys the uniqueness of the salvation in Christ in John 6:47
    KJV: " Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth ON ME hath everlasting life."
    NIV: " I tell you the truth, he who BELIEVES has everlasting life"
    Note: The NIV removes "on me" (i.e. on Christ) to oepn the door of salvation to anyone who believes anything.
    d) NIV undermines the Virgin Birth of Christ.
    a) Luke2:33
    KJV: " And JOSEPH and his mother marvelled."
    NIV: " the CHILDS FATHER and mother marvelled."
    ( Hmmm, I thought that Jesus was Gods son, not Joseph.)

    NIV's Pro- Gay Bias
    Among the NIV translation committee was a self-confessed lesbian and a pro-gay emeber, who do not believe that homosexuality is a sin to be condemned, but rather a loving relationship acceptable to God.
    In Five OT passages the words "sodomite" or "sodomites" are replacedby "shrine prostitute" or " male shrine prostitutes." (see Deuteronomy 23:17; 1 Kinds 14:24;15:12;22:46 and 2 Kings 23:7)
    The NIV's wresting of Scripture (2 Peter 3:16 ) Justifies homosexuals in their abominale practices and makes the version gay-friendly and acceptale to the gay community.
     
  3. Joey M

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    Rockfort, I know you don't agree with them, but do you always have to attack them with name calling. It just makes me wonder if that is the way Christ would handle the situation. I know I'm no moderator here, but we would all do well to think about what we are posting and ask ourselves if this is the christian thing to say.
    Your comment would have been a real good one, had you not added that last comma and word.

    God speed.

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    Livin'intheword...... Thank you. [​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]

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    I spelled you'r name wrong.....that is the edit you see on my post.
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by livin'intheword:
    Just a little FYI for those who are still stuck on the idea that the KJV isn't the only one that should be used. Here are a few cases where modern versons of the Bible have taken the word of God and chopped it up.
    <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Dear litw:

    You have successfully stood up a strawman and burned him down. Most MV users would agree that the TEV/GNB is nto a suitable translation. However, as has been shown over and over again, the dependable MVs (NKJV, NASB, NIV, ESV) contain all of the essential doctrines of the faith in a multiplicity of verses. Many of the criticisms you have directed at MVs via the GNB can be redirected at the KJV in particualr verses.
     
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    livin in the word has not been living in the word. If he had been, then he would not be continuing to espouse such foolishness. These verses have all long been answered. I don't know of anyone here who claims that the GNB is a good translation. But to continue to spout these lies and misrepresentations is a sign that he needs to spend more time living in the word. A little understanding of language wouldn't hurt either.
     
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    livin'intheword said:

    Just a little FYI for those who are still stuck on the idea that the KJV isn't the only one that should be used. Here are a few cases where modern versons of the Bible have taken the word of God and chopped it up.

    Oh, dear, I've never seen any of these arguments before! I'm going to have to start thinking this through all over again!

    :rolleyes:
     
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    Tisk, Tisk...men of God attacking a Sister. Shame on you! :rolleyes: Look guys, don't attack me, attack those who wrote those versons. Seems to me that when you take the Blood of the Lamb out of salvation, You have nothing. The Bible says that no man come to the father but through Chrit. And just how did Christ make that possible? Through his Blood being shed on the cross. Oh Chris, did you know that the "scholars" who had participated in the transaltion of the NKJV, of them NINE participated in the NIV translation? Makes you think that one over huh? If the same people, gays and lesbians wrote the NIV, also wrote the NKJV...I'd be thinking my reading choice over again. This is a quote from the translators of th NKJV:
    " It was the deitors conviction that the use of footnotes would encourage futher inquiry by readers. They also recognized that it was easier for the acerage reader to delete something he or she felt was not properly a part of the text, than to insert a word or a phrase which had been left out by the revisers" ( The New King James Bible, 1982, Study Edition. The History of the King James Bible p.1235)
    My qestion, is it our place to just delete part of the word of God we don't feel belongs there? And then replace it with something less " convicting" ? Once you dull your sword my Brothers, it makes the battle that much harder.

    Paula

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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>livin in the word has not been living in the word. If he had been, then he would not be continuing to espouse such foolishness. These verses have all long been answered. I don't know of anyone here who claims that the GNB is a good translation. But to continue to spout these lies and misrepresentations is a sign that he needs to spend more time living in the word. A little understanding of language wouldn't hurt either. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Pastor Larry hasn't been reading all the way through posts either. If he had been, he woould have seen the Livin' is a she. :D I have not copied one lie or misrepresentaion. Not one. Those versons of the Bible say what they say, it's not my fault that they have misrepresented our Lord and the need for his Blood as a means of Salvation. Nor that they allowed the input of Gay and lesbians in the traslation. I was just posting a little "food for thought." But now that you've gotten all worked up looking down your nose at me, maybe this time you'll readmy post. ;)
     
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    &lt; Look guys, don't attack me, attack those who wrote those versons. &gt;

    Request denied.

    &lt; The Bible says that no man come to the father but through Chrit. &gt;

    Who or what is "Chrit?"

    &lt; Makes you think that one over huh? &gt;

    [vulgarity removed]

    &lt; If the same people, gays and lesbians wrote the NIV, also wrote the NKJV &gt;

    And if a pervert and imposter like Jimmy 'authorized' his own egotistical translation, how does that compare?

    &lt; ...I'd be thinking my reading choice over again. &gt;

    Then do so.

    &lt; My qestion, is it out place to just delete part of the word of God we don't feel belongs there? &gt;

    Good question. Do you delete Mark 16:17-18?-- do you speak with other tongues, pick up snakes, cast out demons, heal the sick by laying hands upon them...? Or do you defy that the JimmyBible's inclusion of these verses is correct?

    &lt; Once you dull your sword my Brothers, it makes the battle that much harder. &gt;

    Evidently you should know. Your sword couldn't cut a maple leaf in November.

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    &lt; Rockfort, I know you don't agree with them, but do you always have to attack them with name calling. &gt;

    No, not always..
     
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    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by livin'intheword:
    Pastor Larry hasn't been reading all the way through posts either. If he had been, he woould have seen the Livin' is a she. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Nope, missed your name ... sorry. When you have seen this stuff as many times as most of us here have, you browse through it briefly. As Solomon said, there is nothing new under the sun and these "illustrations" of "error," are vanity at best.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I have not copied one lie or misrepresentaion. Not one. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    YOu have copied many. Every verse you have cited is clearly explained in other places. Most of them stem from a lack of understanding of translation and textual variants. They have been answered in numerous places on this board and others. You have so far chosen not to do the homework on it.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>they have misrepresented our Lord and the need for his Blood as a means of Salvation. Nor that they allowed the input of Gay and lesbians in the traslation.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    Three direct examples of lies. 1) They have not misrepresented our Lord; 2) they have not misrepresented the need for his blood in salvation; and 3) there were no open gays or lesbians in on the translation. You are parroting lies that other people have told.

    <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>But now that you've gotten all worked up looking down your nose at me, maybe this time you'll readmy post. ;)<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

    I am not worked up and I am not looking down my nose at you. I am correcting false statement that you have made.

    The most important problem is simply this: you have shown that these versions are different; You have not shown that the KJV is the standard to judge all others by. I will ask you the same thing I have asked others yet no one has answered it yet. Perhaps you will answer it: Which verse identifies the KJV as the perfect Word of God?

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  14. Ransom

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    livin'intheword said:

    Look guys, don't attack me, attack those who wrote those versons.

    Why? Unlike KJV-onlyism, those who wrote those versions have borne good fruit.

    Seems to me that when you take the Blood of the Lamb out of salvation, You have nothing.

    It's a good thing that "the modern Bible versions" (which for some reason the KJV zealots all want to lump into a huge homogenous mass) haven't done this, then, isn't it?

    Oh Chris, did you know that the "scholars" who had participated in the transaltion of the NKJV, of them NINE participated in the NIV translation?

    So what?

    Makes you think that one over huh? If the same people, gays and lesbians wrote the NIV,

    IF they did, it might be cause for concern. As it is, this is merely Yet Another KJV-Only Fairy Tale that has been answered here over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over . . .
     
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    What I don't understand is why someone would want a version of the Bible that requires that one first have an exceptional grasp of the language it is written in ie. English.. Or that requires that you be a scholar of translations to understand where the version you're reading comes from. IMHO God seemed happy with the KJV for nearly 400 years. I know that there have been others early on though we still have the KJV. In the time reference of centuries the NIV NASB RSV GND GNFMM et al. are new and overly influnced by the translators to make a better Bible. Thats like making a better God. And I know that it only takes a fifth grade education to understand the KJV. Less if its spoken to you. BTW when did we abondon the Holy Spirits Revelation of the word to the believer? I Questioned my wife on this. She was a methodist when we married and was saved not long after our marrige. Anyway I asked her about reading the Bible and such. Her answwer was that before she was save they were just words now they mean somthing. I digress. Back to point if you like all these perverted versions fine thats between you and Almighty God why are all of us who stick to the KJV considered idots? We are portrayed as ignorant small minded relics fo a by gone era. I'm here to tell you this again IMHO it wasn't broke until man tried to fix it. And yes I feel that the best way to reach other langusges would be to translate the KJV into language x. Also I don't expect to change anyone mind on this. It's one of those either you is or you ain't things.

    Pleaaasee don't approach us KJV'ers like we are defective or something.
     
  16. Ransom

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    Brian said:

    What I don't understand is why someone would want a version of the Bible that requires that one first have an exceptional grasp of the language it is written in ie. English.

    I don't. I like the plain, straightforward English of my NASB.

    None of this posy-sniffing, poetry-reading, sissy-boy KJV English for me, thanks.

    IMHO God seemed happy with the KJV for nearly 400 years.

    Wasn't he happy with what we had before then? If so, who gave James I the authority to mess with it?

    These arguments from tradition cut both ways.

    BTW when did we abondon the Holy Spirits Revelation of the word to the believer?

    Never. What does this have to do with the price of rice in China?

    Back to point if you like all these perverted versions fine thats between you and Almighty God

    Good. Please tell the KJV zealots to stop arguing about it then, because if my NASB is between me and God, it's no business of theirs.

    Pleaaasee don't approach us KJV'ers like we are defective or something.

    How about approaching you like you're intellectually dishonest? The KJV-only nonsense is fueled by logical fallacies and errors of history, fact, and theology.
     
  17. Brian

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    Uh where did that plain old stait forward English come from anyway?
     
  18. Brian

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    BTW Ransome I looked up heretic in the Websters online and in the realm of Baptistry I don't fit the definition.

    1.One who holds to a heresy, one who believes some doctrine contrary to the established faith or prevailing religion.

    2. (roman catholic church) One who having made a profession of Christian belief, deliberately and pertinaciously refuses to believe one or more of the articles of faith "determined by the authority fo the universal church"

    USAGE: A heretic is one whose errors are doctrinal, and usually of a malignant character, tending to subvert the true faith.

    Just food for thought. On a similar thread you called me a heretic because I beleive that the KJV is a true Bible and for me THE true Bible.
    done
     
  19. livin'intheword

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    Well said Brain. [​IMG]
     
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    Brian said:

    Uh where did that plain old stait forward English come from anyway?

    Like all language, it's a social convention.
     

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