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KJV1611?

Discussion in '2005 Archive' started by stevec, Jan 8, 2005.

  1. jane

    jane New Member

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    okay.. I'm just wondering how does apocrypha exluded from t and why? :eek:
     
  2. jane

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    oh sorry.. I'm excited with this info..

    I'm just wondering how does apocrypha excluded in today's bible (KJV also) and why?
     
  3. robycop3

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    Jane...The later prints of the KJV, such as the 1769 Blayney's Edition, which is the most common KJV edition in use today, left the Apocrypha out because the Apocrypha are not Scripture. They are of value as history, however.

    The KJV is a BRITISH Bible version, and for a long time, was printed only in England. The head of the Anglican Church in England is the British monarch, but the daily affairs of the church are managed by the Archbishop of Canterbury; the King ot Queen rarely intervenes. In 1885, the Archbishop of Canterbury officially removed the Apocrypha from the KJV.

    I understand that the Roman Catholic Church has quite a large presence in the Philippines. They still recognize the Apocrypha as part of Scripture.
     
  4. av1611jim

    av1611jim New Member

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    robycop3 says; "I still smile at those who have "AV 1611" in their handles while they quote Scriptures from the 1769 edition. They just won't admit the 1611 & 1769 are different."
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    I smile too! :D While I readily admit there are differences, I keep the handle because I LIKE it! :D [​IMG]

    Just FYI. Ok, go back to discussing!
    In HIS service;
    Jim
     
  5. robycop3

    robycop3 Well-Known Member
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    It's YOUR handle...Enjoy! I do mine, even though my cop days are over.
     
  6. jane

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    Oh Thank you robycop I do appreciate the information. To tell you honestly, I came from a catholic family but they never did introduced to me “apocrypha” neither the very Word of God the “Bible”..

    One more question, does it mean to say that "apocrypha” was removed because it is not the Word from God? Why it was included from the original version prior to KJV1611? Or can we directly say “apocrypha” is not necessary? I’m using King James Version because I learned that it is reliable and complete one, but knowing this thing how could I strongly hold that the bible I’m holding right nowis totally COMPLETE & RELIABLE?
     
  7. robycop3

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    The King James Bible is a reliable version despite its age of almost 400 years. The 66 "books" within it have been recognized as Scripture for a long time.

    I believe the best course of action for you is to look up various web sites about the Apocrypha and about the King James Bible. What we discuss here is the fact that the King James Bible nor any other one version is not the ONLY valid English-language Bible there is.

    Trust me; the KJV is as valid an English Bible as any other is. If you have no problems with its 400 year old English, go right ahead and trust it as the word of God.
     
  8. Plain ol' Ralph

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    So, does this mean you are the "new and improved" version? Or are you just getting [​IMG] old?
     
  9. Plain ol' Ralph

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    But then there are those dispicable little differences between the KJB and the new versions, huh?

    (Roby reaching for his revolver; i.e., that thing he keeps rotating around and around, that is , how he congratulates his own integrety :rolleyes: , and those he agrees with) [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
  10. Scott J

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    But then there are those dispicable little differences between the "KJB" and every Bible version both before and after in all languages.

    Once again it seems necessary to remind POR that the KJV was not the original authored by God and that the translators neither claimed inspiration nor were qualified biblically to receive it.
     
  11. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    But then there are those despicable little differences between KJV1611, KJV Oxford 1762, KJV Cambridge 1769, KJV Nelson, etc.
     
  12. robycop3

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    POR: But then there are those dispicable little differences between the KJB and the new versions, huh?

    But then there are those despicable little differences between the various books of the KJV in their narration of the SAME EVENTS, huh? Nuffin like a good ole DOUBLE STANDARD...

    A Filipino Christian lady asked an important, sensible question, and I answered her to the best of my ability. Obviously, English is her second language, so I tried to avoid using any slang, acronyms, or uncommonly-used words. IMO, the KJV IS as valid a BV in English as any other, and, unlike many a KJVO, I WON'T LIE.

    Jane, in the USA, there is a group of people who believe the King James Version is the ONLY valid English Bible translation there is. Obviously, they're wrong, but few will ever admit it, even though they're presented a large amount of evidence proving their doctrine wrong. Now, there is no official recognition of any such group, but they ARE united in their belief in the King-James-Version-Only doctrine. Some believe it to a greater degree than some others do, but it's all false anyway. There is but ONE valid reason in the USA or the other English-using nations to be KJVO...PERSONAL PREFERENCE. Any other reason is wrong.

    Well, ONE other possibility...that the KJV is the only English version available where one lives. However, that's not the case in the Philippines. But if the KJV is the English version with which you're comfortable, then by all means stick with it.
     
  13. HankD

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    Hmm, what about the differences between the several KJV editions and the Greek and Hebrew of which certain KJVO scholars say "the King James English corrects the Greek and Hebrew"?

    HankD
     
  14. Phillip

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    I have said that I do have a copy of it in WordPerfect, but the pages are in "graphics" form. In other words, text cannot be searched or clipped and pasted. They are actual photographs (or scans) of an original 1611 version, so it contains the misshapped and different sized fonts used in the early press.

    I will send a CD of it to anybody who will send me $5 to cover packaging, CD, time and postage.

    If you want to see what it looks like here is ONE page in PDF format. This is the last page of the Old Testament.

    http://www.baptist-church.org/ot.pdf

    PM me if you want to get a CD.
     
  15. Craigbythesea

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    The 1611 edition of the King James Version of the Bible can now be downloaded free of charge at E-Sword.Net.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Phillip

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    Thanks Craig, they also have the Geneva Bible for those who want to compare the two.
     
  17. Ed Edwards

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    Thank you Brother Craigbythesea: you are the best!

    I now have Geneva, KJV1769 with Strong's Numbers,
    and KJV1611. Wow!

    Strange though. I marked KJV1611 for download
    but that didn't seem to work. I reloaded the whole
    system and got what i had before (Geneva, KJV+)
    plus the new KJV1611.

    2 Thessalonains 2:3 (KJV-1611)

    Let no man deceiue you by any meanes,
    for that day shall not come, except there
    come a falling away first, and that man of sinne
    bee reuealed, the sonne of perdition,

    Wow! Praise Jesus \o/ [​IMG]
     
  18. Phillip

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    That is GREAT Ed. I think both of us missed the "deal" of the century on ebay. Diane mentinoed it on another thread.

    I understand it sold for quite a bit. A signed copy of the KJV in pencil (Jesus).

    (And I didn't think the pencil was invented in the first century--you learn something new every day!) :D
     
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    Thanks, Craig! It has been downloaded and installed!

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
  20. Phillip

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    Trotter, Did you notice the ESV and HCSB are included for no royalty fee. I wonder how they got away with that?
     
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