KJVO DIVISIVE!

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Michelle,

This has a very simple, one word meaning.

It is called gnosticism.

In Christ,
Trotter
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No, it is called FAITH and faith in the TRUTH of the scriptures. You wouldn't know gnosticism if it came up and bit you on the nose. Those very men who were responsible for your precious NIV, and plethora of other mv's, were the GNOSTICS. Read about gnosticism sometime. You do not know it, nor understand what it is.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

This is typical sticking of one's head in the sand.

First, if I can show that there's an error in the KJV, then the KJVO will not believe it is an error anway. The circular reasoning is "well, the KJV can't have errors, so if someone shows me an error, then it must not be an error, because the KJV doesn't have errors."

Second, it presumes that for us to have the infallible Word of God, we must have a translation that contains no errors whatsoever. If that is the case, then there is no translation in existence that qualifies. But again the circular reasoning is "well, the must be a perfect translation, so if someone shows me an imperfection, then it must not be a perfection, because the KJV is a perfect translation."

Of course, since neither God nor scripture promises a perfect or error free translation in any language, the above is a complete nonissue, leaving the sngle-translation-onlyist position as being false and contrary to scriptural doctrine from the get go.

 

You're logic is flawed Michelle. The MV's are the Word of God, too, every bit as much as the KJV. God did not say he would give us every single word He spoke. If that was the case, we'd have all he spoke to Adam and Eve in the Garden, all He's spoken in Heaven, and all the words that Jesus spoke in his ministry here on earth. We don't have that. He said he would give us his "word". Different versions of the same incidents can be found in the gospels. Yet, this doesn't negate any of the truth. Same with the KJV and MV's. The KJV is a VERSION. Even the translators acknowledged this. It is the continued attacks on the MV's that are the problem, not the voices rising against the bibliolatry shown the KJV by KJVO's. God said that his word would be to every generation. I believe this is so today. We have His Word in many different versions. All the doctrines and fundamentals of the faith are in tact in the MV's. Just as much so as in the KJV.

AVL1984

 

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Again you're not addressing the fact of the underlying texts being different, michelle, which makes you less than honest. You can say the MV's leave out all you like, but according to their underlying texts, it's all there. Learn the truth before you post, please. You're one of those that puts a stain on the Christ by false accusations.

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Well, my Bible has them. Mv's don't. Which is correct, and how is it that you come to determine this then? Your own mind? The mind of the scholar? How is it that you determine whether that verse of scripture is God's word or not? Your premise is your own logic. My premise is the truth of and in the scriptures.

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You're one of those that puts a stain on the Christ by false accusations.
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This is not only a very serious accusation, but a very slanderous remark, and it is also very untrue. I haven't false accused you. I pointed out to you:


Originally posted by michelle:
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They will accept versions with verses removed, the name of God removed, the blood of Christ removed etc. before the God inspired KJV.

Please cease your fanatical rattling long enuff...IF YOU CAN...to answer these simple questions...WHAT PROOF CAN YOU PROVIDE THAT THE KJV IS ISSPIRED TO THE EXCLUSION OF ALL OTHER ENGLISH BVS?
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He has said it above, and you COMPLETELY MISSED IT, OR IGNORED IT.

I have been continually accused of approaching this with a false premise, a premise that I need to prove, and haven't proved. I have indicated that the truth is my premise, the truth of the scriptures.


Now, let me ask you, what exactly is your premise?


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle
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Where in this did I false accuse that puts a stain on Christ?


By the way, while your at it, show me also where I was being dishonest?


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michele,
God said he would preserve his word for ALL generations INCLUDING people living BEFORE 1611. If you say the KJV is the only word of God, then you are saying that God is a liar.

 

Michelle said "My premise is the truth of and in the scriptures."

No, it isn't. If it was, it would be so contradictory, and it would be applicable throughout history, not just from 1611 onwards.

 

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Again, just words and no proof posted. Glad you're not a medical researcher!
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The proof are the very scriptures in my Bible that I can hold in my hand, that I can read, study and understand, live my life by, hear the Lord's voice speaking to me through them and know the Lord Jesus Christ through them, to which I was also saved by hearing/reading them. This is the proof.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michelle said "The proof are the very scriptures in my Bible that I can hold in my hand, that I can read, study and understand, live my life by, hear the Lord's voice speaking to me through them and know the Lord Jesus Christ through them, to which I was also saved by hearing/reading them. This is the proof."

That proof can be applied to any version, and has been.

 

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You can't prove your thesis (deletions) they can't prove theirs (additions) neither can you impose upon others what you believe the Holy Spirit is saying to you.
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The scriptures prove themselves. I understand them. I approach this with faith of the truth in them. Many approach this with their own logic being the truth. This is folly and unbiblical. Truth is absolute. It is not compromise, nor is it mixed with error. The truth exposes the error. The deletions in the mv's are error, exposed by the truth.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Words michelle, but no proof of what you're saying. Typical of those who use circular reasoning.

AVL1984

 

Michelle, why won't you address the underlying text issues? You lie when you say the MV's have deletions. They are accurate according to their underlying texts. You know, Christians shouldn't lie, yet you continue to do so at every turn and then proceed with your mindless drivel about "faith", as if those who use the MV's don't have any. Sorry, deary, they do!

AVL1984

 

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Are you beginning to understand why we have problems with your posts? God's truth is not contradictory. Your "truth" is nothing but.
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The problem you have understanding this issue is because you approach it, as many others here do, with human logic and reasoning, rather than based upon FAITH IN THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES. This is your folly, and it is unbiblical. What you perceive as "contradiction" is not at all contradiction. You perceive it as such, because of your false application of human logic and reasoning, rather than that of FAITH and UNDERSTANDING of the scriptures.

love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Again Michelle accuses MV users of lack of faith and human reasoning. Yet, she posts no proof, just her mindless check your brain at the door and don't research it yourself logic.

AVL1984

 

Michelle said "with human logic and reasoning, rather than based upon FAITH IN THE TRUTH OF THE SCRIPTURES"

I use both. As God intended - he himself gave me my human brain, afterall. If you prefer not to use your God-given brain, that's your choice I guess.

Michelle said "What you perceive as "contradiction" is not at all contradiction."

And yet you are unable to explain how they are not contradictions. In fact, when you try, you simply create additional ones.

 

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Of course, since neither God nor scripture promises a perfect or error free translation in any language, the above is a complete nonissue, leaving the sngle-translation-onlyist position as being false and contrary to scriptural doctrine from the get go.
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Sure God has. You just deny that scripture, and the other scriptures pertaining to the importance of God's word, due to lack in understanding the truth in the scriptures, and the denial of them in your own language. You bring yourself into a continual circle of chasing your own tail, and never being able to get to it. And the saddest thing about this whole thing, is that this has made you not only doubt God and his promises, but also has you condoning obvious errors in the mv's, that you shouldn't be condoning. The devil has deceived you into accepting the counterfit, and fighting the true.

2 Thess. 2

9. Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10. And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12. That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
13. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:
14. Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ.
15. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.
16. Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace,
17. Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

Michele, you wouldn't happen to work for the John Kerry campaign would you?

 

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You're logic is flawed Michelle. The MV's are the Word of God, too, every bit as much as the KJV. God did not say he would give us every single word He spoke.
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Oh yes he did, a couple of times:

Prov. 30

5. Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6. Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.


Deuteronomy 8

1. All the commandments which I command thee this day shall ye observe to do, that ye may live, and multiply, and go in and possess the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers.
2. And thou shalt remember all the way which the Lord thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
3. And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the Lord doth man live.

Matthew 4

1. Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2. And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3. And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4. But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

John 12

48. He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49. For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50. And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.


Love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle

 

And every one of these can be applied to any other translation of the bible, sweetheart.

Try again.

In Christ,
Trotter

 

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Michelle said "What you perceive as "contradiction" is not at all contradiction."

And yet you are unable to explain how they are not contradictions. In fact, when you try, you simply create additional ones.
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And you are calling something a contradiction to which is not, due to your ignorance and lack of understanding this issue because you rely first on your own human logic and reasoning. Don't try to turn this over on me, I understand it perfectly. You are having a hard time understanding it, and I have tried to be as clear as day for you, and even tried to help give you advice on how to better understand without bias. You are just showing forth your disdain for the truth, because you are too preoccupied with fighting a false and man made label put upon the truth.


love in Jesus Christ our Lord and Saviour,
michelle