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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Pastor_Bob, Sep 7, 2004.

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  1. Pastor_Bob

    Pastor_Bob Well-Known Member

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    I spent the day yesterday with a Missionary to Pachuca, Mexico. I asked him about the Bible he uses and was amazed to find a conflict in Mexico about Bible versions.

    Some use the Spanish Reina Valera from 1909, and others use the Spanish Reina-Valera Actualizada from 1960. Neither one of these versions are KJV based, making this a non-KJVO issue. Still, there are those (Missionaries and nationals) who will not fellowship with those using the other version.

    I haven't had the time to study the issue myself. I was hoping someone might give some insight and save me some time.
     
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  2. rsr

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    The 1960 revision, it is alleged, adopted a number of readings from the Critical Text.

    Even the 1909 version doesn't cut the mustard with some:

    http://www.exorthodoxforchrist.com/reina-valera.htm

    http://www.biblebelievers.com/Spanish/comparison_spanish-texts.html

    Eugene Nida, executive secretary of the American Bible Society's Translations Department, plays the role of both Westcott and Hort as target for the TR-only movement in Spanish. (Interestingly, it appears that this issue is important among American missionaries much moreso than it is to native Spanish-speaking Christians.)

    A defense of the 1909 and 1960 RVs, which argues that they are overwhelmingly TR-based documents:

    http://amen.net/lb/english/excerpts.htm

    And, of course, there has been more than one attempt to translate the NT into Spanish from the KJV.

    One recent example is that produced by missionary Bernard McVey, a volume called "Biblia Autorizada Del Rey Jaime 1611."
     
    #2 rsr, Sep 7, 2004
  3. Anti-Alexandrian

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    Pastor_Bob,check into the 1865 Cipriano de Valera..This Spanish version(from the TR)was done before the textual critisism/rationalism of W&H and their ilk.
     
    #3 Anti-Alexandrian, Sep 8, 2004
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    "I asked him about the Bible he uses and was amazed to find a conflict in Mexico about Bible versions."
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    Bible version conflicts are in fact rather common worldwide. It's the whole circus that surrounds the KJV debate that is unusual.
     
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  5. Ransom

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    Much of the circus concerning the Spanish Bible used by Spanish-speaking North Americans is in fact an extension of the KJV controversy in English. Apparently it's not enough that KJV-onlyism is a pernicious blight on the English-speaking church; it has to infect other languages as well.
     
    #5 Ransom, Sep 8, 2004
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    I've been told that the KJVO school Landmark Baptist College in Haines City, FL, which also has a Spanish Department, had some kind of split over this issue of Spanish versions. I've also been told that some are asserting a Spanish version based on the KJV, as the only version for the Spanish speaking world! [​IMG] So, since there's no distinction in the Greek for the Holy Spirit/Ghost, the Spanish version translates where the KJV does "Ghost" effectually, "Holy Phantom"
    as Ransom would say, "You gotta laugh!" [​IMG] or we oughhta cry too! [​IMG] What madness.
     
    #6 Pastor KevinR, Sep 8, 2004
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    #7 rsr, Sep 8, 2004
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    Yup. I believe folks in the Netherlands and Germany have had a similar situation. The "my translation is better than your translation" arguement nearly as old as Christianity itself.
     
    #8 Johnv, Sep 8, 2004
  9. Ransom

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    Doug Kutilek's take on the "Rey Jaime" Version

    You gotta get a load of this one! Highlights:

     
    #9 Ransom, Sep 8, 2004
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    Calvin George, author of The Battle for the Spanish Bible referenced above, has noted the divisiveness this dispute has caused:

    CARTER'S LETTER

    Steve Brogdon, a missionary to Mexico, has noted this:

    FULL LETTER

    All these comments, and many similar, are from staunch defenders of the TR.
     
    #10 rsr, Sep 9, 2004
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