Law of Christ

So, does God endorse the break up of families, and the ensuing psychological damage done the children left behing, sometimes that would be put in foster homes when things don't work out. Where in the Bible does God teach that two wrongs make a right? Where in the Bible does God teach: "I will never forgive." Your God is a very capricious God.
DHK

 

The obedience of the faith... "to walk in love"



In Him Kim

 

Without love all we do is make noise. In Revelation 2, Jesus warns those who stand up against those who preach false doctrine that if they do not return to a loving disposition that they will not be found righteous. It is not a warning that should be taken lightly.

 

The Law of Christ?

What HE said was that we should love the Lord our God with all our heart, mind, soul, and strength and that we should love our neighbors as ourselves.

Why complicate matters?

 

in what way does your repentance make up for the consequences of what you did? Saying "I'm sorry", no matter how sincerely meant, does not replace stolen items.

However, if you are REALLY sorry, you will WANT to replace them and try to repair the damage in any way possible.

edit: using 'you' there generically since you stated 'I' in the example post -- not a personal attack!

[ December 02, 2002, 11:04 AM: Message edited by: Helen ]

 

Jarlaxle:

A thief must cease to be one and do good with his hands. Let him that stole steal no more but rather let him labour working his hands the thing that is good so that he may hath to give to him that needeth. Eph. 4.

Repentance requires recognition sin, remorse for sin, restoration of the relationship of the wronged, and restitution for the damage done.

Judas said he was sorry and threw the money at the feet of the priests,yet he failed to restore the relationship he had with Jesus the one he had sinned against. Acts 1:27. He went to his own place because of his transgression. Judas was sorry he got caught. He made no effort to restore the relationship by confessing his sin, and repairing the damage done.


Must the kidnapper return the child he has unlawfully taken?

Must a man that unlawfully takes your home return it?

Can a man have another man's wife unscripturally and continue to live unscripturally and be justified before God?

Jesus said to bring forth fruit meet for repentance. Mat. 3:8.

The thief must recognize his wrong, make it right with the party wronged and restore the stolen goods as much as is possible.
Have good day
Frank

 

DHK:
God does not approve of sin. Hab. 1:15. The things you mention are the consequences caused by sinful men. James 1:27 teaches us to take care of the fatherless and the widow.
Who said God does not forgive? God is not willing that any should perish but all should come to repentance. II Pet. 3:9. All sin can be forgiven when one repents of his wrong doing. Luke 13:3, Mat. 3:8.

 

"Who said God does not forgive?" Well you did, or at least your religion does by the framework from within it works. You say that God will not forgive a married and divorced couple. Instead that couple must break up their marriage, inspite of the consequential harm done to the children, seek out their former spouses (remarried or not), destroy their families, and try to remarry again with their former spouses. What a mess. Do you really think God approves of such a scenario??

I believe that God forgives. Yes he will even forgive a couple that has been divorced and remarried. I don't condone divorce or remarriage. But God does forgive. Were it not for the grace of a forgiving God, we would all be in Hell today. We do not deserve God's grace.
DHK

 

Jarlaxle:

The innocent party is not under obligation to remarry the guilty party should they repent. The fact is that Jesus condemns adultery. The circumstances are irrelevant. Mat. 19:9, Gal. 5:19,20, I Cor. 6:9,10.
Furthermore, a murderer may be saved by repenting of his sin but he cannot restore the life he took. It is not possible. However,it is possible not to live in adultery with another person.

Jesus requires one be lawful.We are under his law. I Cor. 9:21. a perfect law. James 1:21. A law that is divine. James 2:8. Without an objective standard of law men may do that which is right in their own eyes. This has never been approved by God. Judges 21:25, Jeremiah 10:23, Isaiah 55:6-9. The failure to be lawful makes one sin. I John 3:4. And, there is not a sin unto death. I John 5:17.
In conclusion, read Mat. 19:11,12 these sayings are hard but not impossible to live by. see vs. 12.

 

There is no verse in Matthew 19 that advocates the breakup of a family.
DHK

 

Jarlaxle:
The question is not one of perfection but of faithfulness to the marriage bed. Marraige is honorable in all with the bed undefiled but adulterers or whoremongers God will judge. Hebs. 13.
God does not require me to be a perfect husband but i must be a faithful one.

 

DHK:
No, there is not a verse that teaches one to as you say" break up a family." Mat. 19 does however, allow one to divorce for sexual immorality. As an unfortunate consequence of SIN, families are at times seperated because of sexual unfaithfulness by one or both parents. There is no verse that teaches families are to be broken up by murder but this is a consequence of SIN! There is no verse that teaches a family should be broken up by a parent leaving. However, it is a consequence of SIN!

 

Jarlaxle:
According to Jesus ijn mat. 19:1-12, the party guilty of sexual immorality maybe put away. Jesus also prohibits the guilty party from entering inot another marriage relationship with anyone else. Jesus teqdhes us in vs 12 som emust remain unmarried and celibate if we are to enter heaven. In short, the adulterer may be forgiven. However, he has lost his God ordained rigfht to marry again, he,if he want sto go to haeaven, must,as Jesus says make himseslf a eunoch for the kingdom's sake. Vs. 12. Paul never married and was confident that he had so lived that he would receive his reward upon death. II Tim. 4: 6-8.
The consequences for some sin is greater than others. Sin destoys our reputation with others, tarnishes our character, and can totally change our lives. This is especailly true with sexuall immorality.
Lust when it conceives brings forth sin. James 1:15.Men must overcome temptation by finding the way of escape. I Cor. 10:13. This is a hard saying. However, Jesus said we could do it! Mat. 19:12.
Yours In Christ,
Frank

 

Law of Christ? There is no law of Christ. The only Law is that which we call the decalogue aka Ten commandments.

 

I am going to wade into this mud puddle>

Frank: It is obvious the Church of Christ does not read the Old Testament correctly because it specifically says it is an abomination and the land would be defiled and polluted if a man divorced his wife, remarried and then divorced her and went back to the first. God forbids this. Also Paul taught that if a believer is married to an unbeliever and the unbeliever chooses to leave (to divorce the believer) then the believer is not under bondage to the marriage.

Also the only reason the new testament church did not use musical instruments in their worship as did the Jews in the synagogues and the Temple is they were basically hiding from persecution and could not attract attention to themselves. God would not have changed the order of worship from the Old Testament to the New. This is faulty teaching on the Church of Christs teaching.
Groups should try to understand what is happening at the time things were written before putting a false interpretation to it.