Legal suit questions the citizenship of Obama

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  1. windcatcher

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    About the first of October a Pa. court judge rulled that Obama has to provide a legal birth cirtificate or a certified copy of one from the state he claims to have been born in. He also ruled that he has to show immegration paperwork showing he has the legal right to be here in the USA.

    Does anyone have any word about the followup? The last I heard, Obama was wanting it to be dismissed. The attorney bringing the suit has been a life long member of the Democrat Party and active in its politics. It is my understanding that he has been seeking the answers to his questions from the Obama campaign for several months before finally filing in court and thereby going public.


    http://docs.justia.com/cases/federal...1573/13/0.html
     
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    Maybe delaying it until after the election.

    I starting to feel silly for doubting this story.
     
  3. Salty

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    Suppose he wins :tear: , then it comes out that he is not a "natural born" citizen.

    Could he be impreached - could the election be overturned?
     
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    Only if you want race riots....
     
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    So, Constitutionally if Obama's citizenship is not American even though he might be the elected President, what does the nation do then? Chunk the Constitution into the trash bin? Lawfully he should be ousted. If he isn't thrown into the street then the Nation's sacred document secured by the blood of our fathers is of none effect. :tear:
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but, if one is the child of an American citizen is not citizenry automatically applied even if the child is born out of the country?

    It is clear that Obama's mother was an American, that alone should be enough even if he were born somewhere else.
     
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    Not if his step father adopted him.
     
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    The link doesn't work.

    I keep thijnking what you said, but why would a P.A. judge do this ?

    Here's more....

    On September 29, 2008 US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick, the
    federal magistrate for the Eastern District of Pennsylvania ruled in the
    matter of Philip J. Berg vs Barack Hussein Obama, et al as the world was
    distracted by the $700 billion subprime mortgage crisis. Obama signed a
    breathe of relief as the mainstream media chose to ignore the question:
    "Can Senator Barack Hussein Obama legally seek the office of President
    of the United States?"

    The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the
    question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth
    certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United
    States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan
    grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born
    in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her
    son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a
    pregnant white wife who was close to term.)....



    http://www.amazon.com/tag/politics/...Thread=Tx3JO877P2V3MSG&displayType=tagsDetail



    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]On September 29, 2008 Pennsylvania attorney Philip J. Berg, filed a response to a motion to dismiss by defendant Barack Obama who was joined in his effort to quash Berg's lawsuit by the Democratic National Committee, claiming it has no standing to proceed. Berg argued in the brief response that he has provided the precedents which establish the standing and petitioned US District Court Judge R. Barclay Surrick of the Eastern District of Pennsylvania to pursue the case. In his Sept. 29 filing, Berg said: "Plaintiff served discovery in way of Admissions and Request for Production of Documents, on Defendants on September 15, 2008 and has attempted to obtain verification of Obama's eligibility through subpoenas to the government entities and the hospital's in Hawaii. To date, Plaintiffs and two of (2) the locations, which subpoenas were served upon, refused to honor the subpoenas.[/FONT]​
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]"For the above aforementioned reasons, Plaintiff respectfully request Defendants and the Democratic National Committee's Motion to Dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) be denied and order immediate discovery (the unsigned order requiring Obama to produce..." within three (3) days{[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]1. Obama's "vault" version (certified copy of his "original" long version) birth certificate; and
    2. a certified copy of Obama's Certificate of Citizenship;
    3. a certified copy of Obama's oath of allegiance."[/FONT]
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The certified copy of the citizen of the world's "oath of allegiance" to the United Sates is a document attesting to the fact that the newly "naturalized" citizen (usually an immigrant who has just been granted citizenship) or for native born Americans who have forfeited or otherwise surrendered their citizenship, and have requested reinstatement at their majority, usually 18, has sworn allegiance to the United States and its Constitution.[/FONT]​
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]In this filing, Berg argued that he has legal standing to bring suit against Obama—and the DNC—pursuant to 5 USC §702; 524 US 11 (1998); 8 USC §148(b); 5 USC §552(B); 28 USC §1343 and also standing pursuant to Federal Question Jurisdiction. Berg rightfully claimed he has suffered "...the kind of injury that Congress expected might be addressed under the statute..." since the issue of where Obama was born with conflicting birth certificates and conflicting claims of what hospital Obama was born in—with Obama's own family members claiming he was born at three different hospitals in two countries.[/FONT]​
    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]The Obama "Birth Flap" was not of Berg's making. It began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She also reportedly told reporters that when her son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by his pregnant white wife who was close to term.)...​
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    [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon252.htm
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    Great information Bro Curtis, thanks.:thumbs:
     
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    Why doesn't he provide the BC instead of trying to get it dismissed? Makes no sense.
     
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    Here is the thread I started on this topic last month. Of course, I was ridiculed and bashed for it (a "new low in tactics" & tabloid sensationalism, etc.). The Kenyan name for the title of the OP was gleaned from an Internet story about it, but wasn't the OP on the thread.

    http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=53370&highlight=kenya
     
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    That is absolutely correct, he is a naturalized citizen because his mother is American. It's no different than a military person.
     
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    So why doesn't he just put this to rest by supplying the BC?
     
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    AS my daughter would say "Helllooo!!!":BangHead:
     
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    That is not correct. I looked up the citizenship requirements in place when Obama was born.

    The following is bio info on Obama's mother.

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    Please notice Ann Dunham gave birth at age 18. If she gave birth in Kenya, then she doesn't meet the one parent requirement in place at the time of having lived in the U.S. for at least 5 years after age 16 (only 2 years), therefore Barack Obama is not a U.S. citizen if he was born in Kenya.

    As stated before, an origional birth certificate from Hawaii could immediately end this discussion.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    Not sure where you got that from but here it is from the governments site. Keep in mind, this is only IF he was born outside the united states but since he was born in HI none of this really matters.

    http://travel.state.gov/law/info/info_609.html


     
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    You can't look at current law. You have to know the law in place at the time of his birth. This is where I found it.

    http://immigration.findlaw.com/immi...tizenship-naturalization-did-you-know(1).html

    As I said before, if he could produce a valid birth certificate from Hawaii, this issue would go away.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    I apologize, I didn't notice they were married. I thought Obama mother was not married which is what I was led to believe when Pain's daughter announced her pregnancy. I thought Obama said he was born basically under those same conditions. I could be wrong.

    So if the lived in Maui, HI and was married in Maui, HI, what makes you think they left the country before his birth?

    By the way, I don't have a birth certificate either. I was born in LA Cali and because of how manual records were kept back then the state somehow don't have my birth recorded. My parents had to sign notarized affidavits and a couple of other hoops when I joined the Military. Luckily I've had a SSN since I was a child so there was little doubt of my citizenship.
     
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    The site I used had this same clause for if they were married except it says age 14. I know Obama would not qualify even at 14 since that is 4 years and not 5 until his mother was 18.

    I do know presidential candidates are vetted by the FBI prior to making the general election since they will get the highest clearance this country has to offer. They are being told national secrets on a daily basis once the make the general election. I would think if this allegation had weight the FBI would be involved and stopped the election by now.
     
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    There is the allegation that Obama's grandmother in Kenya claims her son (his father) brought his young wife to Kenya and she gave birth there. If that were true, then Obama would not automatically receive citizenship under the laws in place at the time.
    If you ever run for president of the United States, it could become an issue. Expect someone from the "other" party to start asking questions.:laugh:

    peace to you:praying:
     
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