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Legalize Methamphetamine!

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by poncho, Nov 28, 2007.

  1. KenH

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    Here we go again! :laugh:

    I think that argument belongs in a theology forum, not a political one, unless one wants to advocate the idea of bringing back the failed policy of Prohibition.
     
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    Talk about twisting the Scripture to fit your own agenda! :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

    Do you have some evidence to support this?
     
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    the fact that the Israelites were to give their tithes to the Levites who ttithed of that to the Priests is evidence enough that it6 could not have been alcoholic in nature.

    Priests were not allowed to drin k alcoholic beverages while in office.
     
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    second thoughts over this post.
     
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  5. rbell

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    I disagree. Leave it here. From the direction it's about to go, at least it will be over sooner. :D
     
  6. poncho

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    COPS SAY LEGALIZE DRUGS!

    ASK US WHY

    After nearly four decades of fueling the U.S. policy of a war on drugs with over a trillion tax dollars and 37 million arrests for nonviolent drug offenses, our confined population has quadrupled making building prisons the fastest growing industry in the United States. More than 2.2 million of our citizens are currently incarcerated and every year we arrest an additional 1.9 million more guaranteeing those prisons will be bursting at their seams. Every year we choose to continue this war will cost U.S. taxpayers another 69 billion dollars. Despite all the lives we have destroyed and all the money so ill spent, today illicit drugs are cheaper, more potent, and far easier to get than they were 35 years ago at the beginning of the war on drugs. Meanwhile, people continue dying in our streets while drug barons and terrorists continue to grow richer than ever before. We would suggest that this scenario must be the very definition of a failed public policy. This madness must cease!

    read more ...

    Reply to Bro Curtis's earlier question about regulation. This is from LEAP (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)

    Doesn't seem very conservative to me to keep spending 69 billion dollars a year on a failed policy. The idea of increasing such an expensive failure even more makes me wonder if the so called conservatives who keep calling for it care more about controlling others lives than actually trying to save them.
     
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    Isn't it amazing that those of this thread that are advocating the legalization of elicit drugs are those that mock those of us that preach against the use of alcohol as a beverage? I wonder............
     
  8. poncho

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    The only kind of alcohol I use is the denatured type to fuel my camp stoves. My advice to everyone is do not drink alcohol or do drugs. Sadly enough people don't take my advice so now what? Do I force them to stop? Is that my Christian duty then...to control others lives by force if they don't listen to my advice? I thought that was one of the things we Christians disliked about Islamists.
     
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    I think it would make more sense to legalize murder.
    All you have to do is go buy a Federal Man Hunting stamp.
    (The Federals could charge in porportion to what they
    think they could get.)

    :applause:
     
  10. poncho

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    Great idea Ed! Then all us Christians (and other upstanding folks) with real morals could legally kill off all the pushers and solve the whole drug problem. :thumbsup:

    There seems to have been some success with this approach according to one poster here...I think it was the one that said shame on me (or something) for posting this thread about legalizing meth. I never fail to be amazed with some of the stuff we'll accept as sanity in our "post 911" world. Murder is okie dokie but starting a thread about legalizing a drug is shameful.
     
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    Okay, let me get this straight. We legalize meth and other such drugs in order to put an end to the drug barons and we get what? Oh, I know, we get Pharmeceutical Barons!

    Ya'll folks are funny and obviously don't live in an area with a meth problem. Meth is NOT 'expensive'. Legalizing it would not reduce the price leading to less theft by users who would then be able to pay for it on the salary they are able to earn while high on the stuff. (wait, who is going to employ said meth head????)

    Now actually, I like Pinoy and Ed's solution. Legalize the drugs and also make it just as legal to use deadly force while protecting oneself from the methheads. One makes just as much sense as the other. :(

    Btw, the only true solution to the drug problem is Christ. Every other solution is bound by nature to be somewhat ineffective.
     
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    Aw, come on, Palatka51 and standingfirminChrist!

    Doncha' remember anything from school??

    Doncha' know yer not s'posed to mix drinkin' and dopin'? :tonofbricks:

    :rolleyes: :laugh: :laugh:

    Ed
     
  13. poncho

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    Yeah but just think how that will benefit the republican party, conservatism and the state.

    You obviously don't know where I live. There is a huge meth problem here so don't get all righteous thinking yer the only one that gets to witness it...okay?


    Did anyone suggest that it would? I don't recollect so.

    Sure why not? All good Christians should be encouraged to accept murder as a tool to "fight crime" these days. Start teaching the kiddies that now and in a few years they'll not only say no to drugs but they'll also kill the guy that offers it to em and think it's morally acceptable. (because drugs harm people)

    Surprise! It's already legal to protect yourself from a dealy attack.

    Yer post doesn't make much sense to me.

    Yeah right, people (as in "metheads") are more apt to accept Christ from listening to folks who preach killing pushers and torturing "the bad guys" aren't they?:eek:

    Somewhat ineffective? :laugh: The so called "war on drugs" costs us 69 billion dollars a year and not only does it not work it makes the problems worse and even creates new problems that cost society even more.

    By all means lets do everything in our power to keep this failure going as long as we can. Christians condoning murder. I would be surprised about this if I hadn't seen with my own two eyes Christians condoning the use of torture for such a long time now. Oh yeah, we got good reasons for it all though. "And how many times have we told you now Poncho that it's not torture if we call it something else?" Torture saves lives! Save a life kill a pusher! :1_grouphug:
     
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    Legalizing Meth is not going to stop the problem. Get real, poncho.

    If it is legalized, meth addicts will be higher in population that they are now.

    Prisons not working? Put 'em on chain gangs and make 'em work for their food. Let the taxpayer off. Why should the taxpayer pay for keeping someone elses addict son or murdering son or raping son or other law-breaking son in prison? Let their own family work to house them. Let them work to eat, for clothing, for electricity and hot water.

    If that don't work, if they cannot abide by US Law concerning drugs being illegal, put 'em on a boat to another island all their own where they can live out their days with no law to govern them.

    Meth is illegal here for a reason. It breeds vicious criminals. It needs to stay illegal.
     
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    I'm sure a meth head cannot hold a responsible job long. To legalize it would be devastating to America. Here the meth users are painters, roofers, and landscapers, and they'll have many different employers, till they become unemployable.
     
  16. poncho

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    You forget history my friend. Look what happened when alcohol was made illegal. It enabled people like Al Capone and all the other outlaw criminal gangs (gangsters) to come to power who went around killing the competition and each other with submachine guns. Prohibition itself breeds vicious street gangs, not alcohol or drugs.

    Tell me, why was cocaine made illegal do you know? The propaganda at the time was that black men would consume the drug and rape white women. Cocaine was made illegal because of bad information and racism. Had nothing to do with the effects of the drug on the population or wanting to curb the flow of it into society for the "good of all".

    How would legalized meth make addicts higher in population? Can you prove this assumption? Do you even have any hard evidence that would support it?

    Bottom line here is that prohibition is not only a huge failure but has made the problem worse. The only ones that benefit is the government and the prison system. It has increased the government's size and power over all of us, druggies and non druggies alike and wasted trillions of taxpayer dollars. It isn't working. So if it isn't working and it's not...why keep doing it?
     
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    I forgot the lumber mills. I'm friends with the Super in one, who told me they know quickly the meth heads, and the record for the longest employed meth user was about 4 months. And he noted that many if not most prospects are drug users.
     
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    just dropping in between SS & church...

    Alcohol is not comparable to meth, particularly in the pharmacology of the user. It is possible for some folks to drink without becoming addicted. It is very highly unlikely that a meth user will not become so.

    I doubt the credibility of your "cocaine story." How about some reliable documentation? Not to mention...if it is true what you say, then that reason for making it illegal is stupid. But does that invalidate other better reasons?

    Finally...this quote:

    Is simply not true. For instance...



    SOURCE
     
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    Whether one drug is more addictive than the next is beside the point. The point is prohibition doesn't work and never has. And in this case not only does it not work it adds to the problem.

    http://store.aetv.com/html/product/index.jhtml?id=70805

    Is that reliable enough for ya?

    Finally...this quote:

    Is simply not true. For instance... Yer for instance fails to take into account what Law Enforcement Against Prohibition is suggesting. No one to my knowledge is suggesting that we pamper drug abusers or make it easier for them attain drugs. There has to be a better way to deal with the problem than to keep wasting trillions of dollars on a failed policy. Especially when the people charged with cleaning up the mess can be so easily corrupted by the easy money the illegal drug trade makes possible.


    SOURCE <--this is one example of how the "war on drugs" is being presented to us...see below. They want us to be uninformed and fearful. To simply react from fear and prejudice instead of thinking things through and comparing all the available information. This is how government does things. It manufactures consent to aquire funding, power and control and to keep it. Period.

    Tell me...what would happen if drug use stopped today? Would the DEA fold it's tents and go home? Or would it find another "dire threat to society" to keep it's funding, power and control going? Do you really think the government would simply give all that money, power and control up? What is more profitable for government...winning the "war on drugs" or dragging it out for as long as possible reguardless of how negatively it effects society?

    [SIZE=+1]It's Not About Legalizing Drugs -- It's About Correcting a Terrible Mistake

    [/SIZE] Thank you for stopping by. What you'll find here is the easiest to use and most complete collection of official government data, historic media reporting, and above all else, better contexts to create a more accurate and complete picture about drug use and its impacts on our society. I use only the best, most accurate and most complete US Government source data available. The claims being made in the drug war debate can only be properly evaluated if the underlying data can be easily found and examined. So here it is: look at it, use it, and tell other people about what you learn.


    My intent is to provide a truly encyclopedic presentation and analysis of the drug war that is easy for the average person to really understand. Everything we are being told about the drugs and the drug users is based on fear, being grossly distorted, and is being presented by our government devoid of any truly useful context. Our nation has been at this for 100 years -- but it's a battle against biology that can never actually be "won." It is a sign of intelligence to learn from experience. To that end, rather than producing another 100 years of the same thing, we clearly need to reconsider our approach to this issue. Indeed, even those once charged with waging the war are saying that we need to stop. They were on the front lines: we need to listen to them. I recommend you read a few books too -- the situation is far worse than you may realize.


    We can forgive our long dead ancestors for starting this war, but we can in no way forgive those who press for its continuation. Don't simply believe what you hear and read -- look at all of the data yourself. You don't have to be "pro-drug" to help put an end to the drug war. I hope you'll spend some time perusing the site so you can see it all for yourself -- and tell other people. Learn the truth: it should make you anti-drugwar too!



    SOURCE

    The need for the "war on terror" and the "war on poverty" is being presented to us in the same way.



    What I've atempted to do here is to create a level playing field in the drug war debate. As it turns out though, the data are actually more of an atomic bomb against continuing the drug war than a "level" playing field. In the face of the data itself, there is simply no contest and no excuse to continue the drug war -- look at it yourself. Then email this page to your favorite politicians, television and radio stations, internet forums, and alternative media sites, traditional newspaper and magazine publishers, all your friends and family members, and anyone else you can think of.


    Every day that passes brings more innocent blood to the hands of every single person pressing for continuing this war against our own citizens. It is well past time to start raising some serious hell and put an end to this nonsense forever.

    SOURCE
     
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    Do ya'll honestly believe that if we decriminalize illisit drugs that it will solve all the social ills caused by the drug user?
     
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