lest I should be exalted above measure?

And yet you called Paul a hypocrite, seems thats just your opinion, and not Gods.

 

If God can use a donkey then he can use even apostle Paul. Have you ever heard of disposable wipers? You use them and dispose of them? That is why a lot of things people say and do are only wood, stubble and hay to be burned in the great bonfire in the sky on judgment day! </font>[/QUOTE]A christian hating scripture really baffles me.

 

So did God use Paul or not? If God did use Paul, then what Paul wrote is reliable and true. If not, then you must believe God is too weak to prevent Paul from putting a bunch of untrustworthy nonsense into the New Testament. If you believe the latter, then why do you trust this same God to give you prosperity if He can't even control what goes into the New Testament?

By the way, what's amazing about the story of the donkey is not that God was able to make the donkey speak, but that the rider was too stubborn to pay attention to the donkey.

[ September 29, 2003, 04:11 PM: Message edited by: npetreley ]

 

Personally, I think that the messenger of Satan was a very real person (perhaps Alexander the metalworker). In light of the exegesis, I personally think that a person who was a "thorn in Paul's flesh" makes much more since than a sickness or disease.

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</font>[/QUOTE]And your point would be??
You did not address what I said. Simply that you do not beleive the bible.

 

I've heard people jokingly say it was his wife.

 

1. No the bible does not say Paul was chavanist, you once again, misinterpet scripture to get it to say what you want it too. What we beliee must be scriptural, even if we have to change what we beleive. It is not suitable to change scriture.
2.Paul teaches that salvation(for anyone) is by grace alone, nevre works. You are suggesting Paul is teaching salvation by works. Not true, once again, a misunderstading of scripture.
3. Paul/Saul was at Stephens stoning, yes. So my question is what sins did you have before being saved, and were they forgiven? Once sins are forgiven they are gone, you are no longer answerable for repented sins. Neither is Paul.
4. I know the verses you are talking about Peter, but thats so long to discuss I think if you want to discuss it you should start a new thread. Otherwise I'd be glad to take this one off topic.

What you say about Pai=ula nd BArnabas just goes to show chirsitan from all ages, even the frist christian didn't agree all the time. Not every christian has gotten along with all other christains, even in the bible. Which is good for you, becasue you make a habit of it.

If you have a problem with God's written word and don't like it, then I suggest you take that up with Him. Tell Him He was wrong for including something you don't like, or that you don't like the people He used to write His bible.
Then get your bible out and read it and let God teach you, instead of you trying to understand under your own power. You might get something right then.

 

2 Peter 1:

12: Wherefore I will not be negligent to put you always in remembrance of these things, though ye know them, and be established in the present truth.
13: Yea, I think it meet, as long as I am in this tabernacle, to stir you up by putting you in remembrance;
14: Knowing that shortly I must put off this my tabernacle, even as our Lord Jesus Christ hath shewed me.
15: Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance.
16: For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.
17: For he received from God the Father honour and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
18: And this voice which came from heaven we heard, when we were with him in the holy mount .
19: We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:
20: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21: For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost .

2 Peter 3:

1: This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
2: That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:
3: Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
4: And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.
5: For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:
6: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
7: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
8: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9: The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11: Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13: Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14: Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15: And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you ;
16: As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction .
17: Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18: But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.


John 14:
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But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

The New Testament writings are divinely inspired, for God’s Comforter,(the indwelling Spirit of God Almighty), taught and brought the writers into God’s glorious truth. I absolutely use the Word of God as the guidebook for my life, as a lamp unto my feet and a glorious light unto my path.

The WORD of God stands. The Apostle Peter validated the Apostle Paul's writings. The Word stands and those who deny the Word, who wrest scripture to their own destruction do NOT.

which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction

A servant of Christ,
Drew

 

I'm sorry but can someone please explain to me what in the world this thread is about? What is the question here? I've read the first post about 20 times now and can't figure out what is being asked.

 

I think it's aboutPaul being a thorn in greatdays flesh?