Let SDA prove, or, deny, with Scripture . . .

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  1. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Let SDA prove, or, deny, with Scripture, Jesus Christ in the most holy court of the Sanctuary of God in heaven instituted and sanctified Sunday and Sunday sacredness and observance in between after "early on the First Day of the week" He had appeared on earth to Mary Magdalene, before He when back on earth again would appear to the other women.

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    What a day is this to the world!
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    Jesus refused to receive the homage of His people until He had the assurance that His sacrifice was accepted by the Father. He ascended to the heavenly courts, and from God Himself heard the assurance that His atonement for the sins of men had been ample, that through His blood all might gain eternal life. The Father ratified the covenant made with Christ, that He would receive repentant and obedient men, and would love them even as He loves His Son. Christ was to complete His work, and fulfill His pledge to "make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir." Isa. 13:12. All power in heaven and on earth was given to the Prince of Life, and He returned to His followers in a world of sin, that He might impart to them of His power and glory.
    While the Saviour was in God's presence, receiving gifts for His church, the disciples thought upon His empty tomb, and mourned and wept.The day that was a day of rejoicing to all heavenwas to the disciples a day of uncertainty, confusion, and perplexity.

    ('Desire of Ages' chapters 80 to 83)
     
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    Remember, “~The Father ratified the covenant made with Christ, that He would receive repentant and obedient men~” and Jesus “~returned to His followers in a world of sin, that He might impart to them of His power and glory~”, so that “~(t)he day that was a day of rejoicing to all heaven … to the disciples~”, might no longer be “~a day of uncertainty, confusion, and perplexity~”, but “~in a world of sin ~”, might be “~(t)he day that was a day of rejoicing to all heaven~”. In other words, “~obedient men~” would henceforth celebrate Sunday because the Father had “~imparted to them of His power and glory.~”

    Wrote Mrs E.G. White and endorsed BobRyan!
     
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    You quote "yourself" again.

    By contrast the text you use to supposedly "prove" your wild speculation says nothing about a weekly day of worship being Sunday. Though that would be a perfect place to mention it - IF it were so. How instructive that no weekly cycle of rememberance is given here any more than a weekly rememberance of the birth of Christ, death of Christ, Lord's Supper...

    You know "the obvious".

    So now your chosen "source material" -- a great example of what does not support your own wild speculation.


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    What a day is this to the world!
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    Jesus refused to receive the homage of His people until He had the assurance that His sacrifice was accepted by the Father. He ascended to the heavenly courts, and from God Himself heard the assurance that His atonement for the sins of men had been ample, that through His blood all might gain eternal life. The Father ratified the covenant made with Christ, that He would receive repentant and obedient men, and would love them even as He loves His Son. Christ was to complete His work, and fulfill His pledge to "make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir." Isa. 13:12. All power in heaven and on earth was given to the Prince of Life, and He returned to His followers in a world of sin, that He might impart to them of His power and glory.
    While the Saviour was in God's presence, receiving gifts for His church, the disciples thought upon His empty tomb, and mourned and wept.The day that was a day of rejoicing to all heavenwas to the disciples a day of uncertainty, confusion, and perplexity.

    ('Desire of Ages' chapters 80 to 83)
     
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    Everything I expected in reply BobRyan's being a Seventh-day Adventist's "LYING REPORT".

    Which day was this referred to by EGW in the Scriptures, Bob Ryan : Q~The day that was a day of rejoicing to all heaven~Q?!
     
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    in the old covenant Sunday worship was beyond question...Jesus our Lord lived on earth in the old covenant days.....But in the new covenant we had changes.....priesthood and law..Hebrews7;12......A better covenant established upon better pomises..Hebrews8;6-7.......The old covenant was nailed to His cross.....Colosians2;13-14......Ephesians2;13-15....we are no longer under the law...Romans6;14.......it was not of faith..Galatians3;12......but now faith is come...Ephesians3;23---25.....we are no longer under the law ...[our schoolmaster]....of the old covenant.....2Corinthians3;6-11....reveals contrasts between the mosaic law and our present day new covenant...we are able ministers of new testament.....the letter killeth[old covenant]....the spirit giveth life......old was a ministration of death.verse7the ministration of spirit[new covenant]..giveth life.......see verse8......the old was a ministration of condemnation.....that hich is done away was glorious.......that which remaineth is glorious.........note was glorious......is glorious...no scripture in todays covenant teaches us to keep sabath days........it takes you back to a covenant Jesus died to take away........can give so much more.......but we have 2 or 3 witnesses there
     
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    Sunday worship in the old covenant?

    Do you agree with this post? #1 BobRyan, Mar 30, 2016
     
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    Yes I made huge ..mistake......you read my words....I SAID SUNDAY..... I.MENT SATURDAY.........Sabbath days are finished church met on sunday....ACTS20;7....Also see 1Corinthians16;2..........SORRY FOR MY BLUNDER
     
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    If it is true that some NT text says "the church met every Sunday for worship" then you have a great text to post at this link - where that very question is being asked with the request that the answer be "Sola scriptura" based.

    #1 BobRyan, Mar 30, 2016

    By contrast "This thread" that you are posting on - is about the wildly-speculated notion that SDAs who believe Heb 8:1-5 are somehow denying that Christ is in the most holy place - "of the Sanctuary of God in heaven"
     
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    This thread also appears to be about the nonsensical notion that Sabbath-keeping SDAs are promoting " sanctified Sunday and Sunday sacredness and observance"
     
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    Indeed a "~nonsensical notion~" it is, "~that Sabbath-keeping SDAs are promoting "sanctified Sunday and Sunday sacredness and observance"~" YET TRUE!


    Here is it ~that Sabbath-keeping SDAs are promoting "sanctified Sunday and Sunday sacredness and observance"~",


    'Desire of Ages' chapters 80 to 83 the whole of, in its acme in deception and fraud on,

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    What a day is this to the world!
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    Jesus refused to receive the homage of His people until He had the assurance that His sacrifice was accepted by the Father. He ascended to the heavenly courts, and from God Himself heard the assurance that His atonement for the sins of men had been ample, that through His blood all might gain eternal life. The Father ratified the covenant made with Christ, that He would receive repentant and obedient men, and would love them even as He loves His Son. Christ was to complete His work, and fulfill His pledge to "make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir." Isa. 13:12. All power in heaven and on earth was given to the Prince of Life, and He returned to His followers in a world of sin, that He might impart to them of His power and glory.
    While the Saviour was in God's presence, receiving gifts for His church, the disciples thought upon His empty tomb, and mourned and wept.The day that was a day of rejoicing to all heaven was to the disciples a day of uncertainty, confusion, and perplexity.

    ...Sunday and Sunday sacredness and observance according to SDA doctrine born and inaugurated in the very courts of the Sanctuary of God in heaven.
     
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    The profane priest, Bob Ryan! READ his ~lying report~!


    NO! It's NOT "~"this thread" that you are posting on - is about … denying that Christ _is_ in the most holy place - "of the Sanctuary of God in heaven"~" now!

    It's about the BobRyan pitch black White LIE about the wildly-speculated notion of SDAs who believe that Christ _was_ in the SDAs’ most holy place of the Sanctuary of God in heaven during the time on Sunday morning after He according to Ellen White had appeared to Mary Magdalene and had ascended to the Father’s throne to receive his OK for his atonement, before He returned back to earth and appeared to the other women on Sunday morning.

    Your allegations are no more than covert insults to intelligence, Bob Ryan.
     
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    It's not I who ~speculate~; it's not I who "~supposedly "prove" (my) wild speculation (which) says nothing about a weekly day of worship being Sunday.~" . . . it's YOU and YOURS and your miesies White's Lie which indisputably ~sola Scriptura~ says it was the First Day of the week!
     
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    The ~blunder~ you are explaining is a very minor matter of no real consequence.


    Let me help you to get a grip on a better perspective,

    Yes you made a mistake......you wrote ~SUNDAY~ and meant .........”~Sabbath days are finished church met on sunday....ACTS20;7....Also see 1Corinthians16;2.~”


    Now it’s true “~”~Sabbath days are [all] finished~” because “Since Jesus gave the People of God Rest (the “Rest of God” [Katapausis tou Theou]), keeping of the Sabbath Day ([Sabbatismos] only) remains valid for the People of God.”


    Which FACT is found endorsed, confirmed and authenticated in both Acts 20:7 and 1Corinthians 16:2 in context.

    Which FACT endorses and confirms the fact that you DID MAKE a ~huge mistake~—an inexcusable but, forgiveable, ~BLUNDER~ taking into consideration your ignorance in this regard.
     
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    i already stated my mistake which is forgiveable.,.....yes my article was intended to show sabath keeping is not for new covenant believers...so i mad a typo..wont be my last......but i put it right and my friend i thank you for your again pointing out my lack of education...had to leave schhol at around12 years old...i live remote area
     
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    Now that the tables are turned for BobRyan and SDA and they are faced with the challenge to BELIEVE AND APPLY the first principle in Reformation Doctrine and Faith of Sola Scriptura ~based on~ Christ Resurrected from the dead, and ACCEPT CHRIST is the New Testament Sabbath Essential and Substance, THEY TURN THEIR HEELS AND FLEE LIKE A DOG before the lion of Sola Scriptura that Sunday never was the day on which Christ rose from the dead or ascended to the Father on his throne in ~the heavenly sanctuary~, and never was “~The day that was the day of rejoicing to all heaven~”, but on earth Sola Scriptura was "the First Day of the week", “~to the disciples a day of uncertainty, confusion, and perplexity~”.
     
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    You no longer are making any mistakes. Your subtlety is become too conspicuous cunning and unforgiveability.
     
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    unforgivenes is a damnable offence in my bible.see mark11;25-26
     
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    All of a sudden you are back to your own true self. Proven I was right about you, poor boy.
    And right I am about your damnable offence against the Bible in your hand but not in your doctrine.
     
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    Since GE is deperate to discuss anything BUT THE BIBLE - we will indulge for a post or two -- GE's obsession.

    Desire of Ages -- Commentary on the Life of Christ
    The chapter: "In Joseph's Tomb"
    In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after Their work of creation. When “the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them” (Genesis 2:1), the Creator and all heavenly beings rejoiced in contemplation of the glorious scene. “The morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy.” Job 38:7. Now Jesus rested from the work of redemption; and though there was grief among those who loved Him on earth, yet there was joy in heaven. Glorious to the eyes of heavenly beings was the promise of the future. A restored creation, a redeemed race, that having conquered sin could never fall,—this, the result to flow from Christ’s completed work, God and angels saw. With this scene the day upon which Jesus rested is forever linked. For “His work is perfect;” and “whatsoever God doeth, it shall be forever.Deuteronomy 32:4; Ecclesiastes 3:14. When there shall be a “restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began” (Acts 3:21), the creation Sabbath, the day on which Jesus lay at rest in Joseph’s tomb, will still be a day of rest and rejoicing. Heaven and earth will unite in praise, as “from one Sabbath to another” (Isaiah 66:23) the nations of the saved shall bow in joyful worship to God and the Lamb. {DA 769.2
     
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    For the SDA any day of the week for any false reason other than the true Sola Scriptura merits sanctification.


    Now I have never noticed this before, but here today Bob Ryan is showing not only why Catholics hold Sunday sacred, but also why Islam hold Friday sacred ---not Sola Scriptura---, but SOLELY SDA E.G. White! What’s more, how SDA and E.G. White are not only the co-worshippers of Sunday and Friday with Catholics and Islam, but have become the ring leader in cahoots.


    Says BobRyan, “~Since GE is deperate to discuss anything BUT THE BIBLE - we will indulge for a post or two -- GE's obsession.~”

    As introduction BobRyan offers two quotations of E.G. White … “~anything BUT THE BIBLE~”

    Then as ~discussion~ on “~GE's obsession~”, BobRyan indulges in another “~Commentary~” by E.G. White … “~anything BUT THE BIBLE~”!

    And nothing of “~GE's obsession~” … not so much as a word a sentence or one argument of GE’s!


    Nauseating Seventh-day Adventists!


    But now for the quote which BobRyan so obsessively offers in justification of Islam’s holy day.


    Says BobRyan quoting Mrs White,

    “~In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after Their work of creation. When “the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them” (Genesis 2:1),~”


    What a bundle of blooming blunders!

    “~In the beginning the Father and the Son had rested upon the sabbath~” … “~In the beginning … upon the Sabbath~”? “In the beginning”, seven days after “it was the First Day?!


    “~the Father and the Son had rested upon the Sabbath after their work of creation. When “the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them”~”.

    AFTER creation … WHEN the heavens and the earth were finished~”? When the heavens and the earth were finished was WHEN the heavens and the earth were finished—not after they were finished.

    But this is small change.


    Notice the Scripture reference, “When “the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them” (Genesis 2:1),~” Mrs White FRAUDULENTLY do not mention Genesis 1:31. Scripture becomes Sola Mrs White, Sola SDA Sola Contra Scriptura—totally NO Scripture.

    Now read the sequence, Genesis 1:31; 2:1, “And God saw everything that He had made … and the evening and the morning were THE SIXTH DAY the heavens and the earth were thus finished and all the host of them.” THEREFORE, the Creator and all created beings rejoiced in contemplation of the glorious scene the completed creation. “The morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy.”Job 38:7.


    But there’s no sanctification of the Sixth Day; no blessing upon it. And God did not rest on the Sixth Day. The Sixth Day not yet as per NEW Testament Sola Scriptura had seen “ALL the works of God finished” or “perfected” “by the all-exceeding greatness of his POWER”. “FOR GOD THUS CONCERNING THE SEVENTH DAY SPAKE” and not concerning the Sixth Day. Hebrews 4:4!


    God did not rest on the Sixth Day but on the Seventh Day. EXACTLY therefore, Muslims worship THEIR Allah specifically NOT on the Seventh Day of the week but on the Sixth Day.

    Excellent Job, Mrs White! Your obsessiveness with the creation instead of the Scriptures, has been most fruitful. It serves Islam well.


    Now, as upon the Sabbath after his work of creation in the beginning God rested, so did Jesus after his life’s labour of suffering on earth, rest upon the Sabbath DOING his Divine WORK of redemption on it, completing it, perfecting it and blessing it through “having entered into his own rest as God in his own” having raised from the dead, “wherefore for the People of God a Sabbath’s rest remains.”


    Therefore, indeed “~… though there was grief among those who loved Him on earth, yet there was joy in heaven.~” And indeed “~Glorious to the eyes of heavenly beings was the promise of the future~” seen fulfilled “When suddenly there was a great earthquake, the angel of the Lord from heaven descending and with the lightning of his appearance cast the stone from the grave and sat on it.”


    HERE was the promise of the future : THIS was the restored creation, the redeemed humanity— “Christ the ALL in all fulfilling Fullness of God … TRIUMPHING in it” his Resurrection from the dead—“IN THE END OF THE SABBATH”. This,Christ’s completed work, God and angels saw “in the Sabbath”. With this—the rest of God in Christ in Resurrection from the dead, the day upon which Jesus rested having RAISED FROM THE GRAVE AND DEAD, is foreverlinked—WITH NO OTHER DAY THAN “the DAY The Seventh Day God from ALL his works RESTED”.


    “His work is perfect.” “Christ RAISED by the glory of the Father” is the perfect work of God. God’s Work of Christ being RAISED “on the Sabbath Day”—“on the day The Seventh Day Sabbath OF THE LORD GOD”—, is “the Rest of God”.


    NB: “~…and “whatsoever God doeth,it shall be forever.”~”

    Christ’s Resurrection is the “restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all His holy prophets since the world began”, Acts 3:21 Hebrews 1:1,2. “The Son” by whom “God made the worlds—being the Brightness of his Glory and the express Image of his Person—SAT DOWN ON THE RIGHT HAND OF THE MAJESTY ON HIGH when He had purged our sins.”


    There’s no such thing as “~the creation Sabbath~”. There’s only “the Sabbath” of God’s Rest—his, Sabbath’s Rest, IN CHRIST— the “Sabbaths’ Feast of Christ the Substance” of it— Christ in Resurrection from the dead. Unless Christ’s Resurrection, there had been no rest for God or man.



    “~…the day on which Jesus lay at rest in Joseph’s tomb~”— “in the end of (it) the Sabbath, late on the Sabbath in the mid-afternoon of the Sabbath in the very daylight as it began inclining towards the beginning of the First Day”, HE ROSE from the dead, “~will still be a day of rest and rejoicing. Heaven and earth will unite in praise, as “from one Sabbath to another” (Isaiah 66:23) the nations of the saved shall bow in joyful worship to God and the Lamb~”.


    With my grateful acknowledgement and apologies to Mrs E.G. White and SDA BobRyan.
     

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