Let us seriously consider Jesus’ Last Command

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  1. evangelist-7

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    Matthew 28:19-20
    “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations …
    teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you”


    To paraphrase:
    "Make disciples everywhere, teaching them to follow all of My commandments"

    It’s all about the making of obedient disciples!

    This has absolutely nothing to do with OSAS.
    OSAS says it is NOT required to be a disciple … you are saved no matter what you do.

    The main job of a disciple is to OBEY.
    Disciples do their best to obey … and when they mess up, they repent and try again.

    All of Jesus’ many commands agree with His exhortation …
    “Therefore you shall be perfect (complete, morally mature, blameless, etc.),
    just as your Father in heaven is perfect.” (Matthew 5:48).


    This ties in with God’s requirement that …
    You must co-operate with the Holy Spirit in your on-going sanctification process!

    This has nothing to do with OSAS, whose adherents call this “works salvation”.

    Disciples do NOT rest on their laurels … they do NOT say, “I’m good no matter what”.

    IMO, true obedient disciples are the only ones Jesus intends to be in heaven.

    Now, let’s look at what grace really is …

    God’s grace means “God’s unmerited favor”.
    The beginning of His grace is the possibility of anyone making it to heaven!
    Next, He gives His free gift of grace-faith-salvation (Eph 2:8-9) to some people.
    They receive the Holy Spirit (inside), i.e. they are born again (from above), and
    He remains in them forever to teach them, guide them, and convict them of their sins.

    God will never leave or forsake these people.
    However, they have free-will and may choose to forsake Him and leave the faith!
    Christians can do things, causing them to have “fallen from grace” (Gal 5:4, Rev 2:5).
    And there are many Scripture passages warning believers that they can lose eternal life.

    It is true that the NT is an incredible mixture of blessings, explanations,
    exhortations, and warnings that the blessings are conditional.

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  2. BobRyan

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    Matthew is doing that very thing - "Teaching them all things whatsoever I commanded you" when he writes the Gospel of Matthew and gives it to the church.

    So Matt 7, Matt 18 forgiveness revoked, Matt 13 2 types of ground that experience life and birth and then die out etc.
     
  3. The Biblicist

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    Obviously, you cannot be regarded seriously as you comments are rediculous. Why not try a proper exposition of Matthew 28:19-20 before opening your mouth and sticking your foot in it?

    For example, note the word "teach" is an imperative Aorist tense verb modified by three participles, only one of which is Aorist while the latter two are present tense. What does that mean? It means that going with the gospel is regarded as a completed action previous to either baptism or teaching. Thus the salvation of those being baptized is regarded as a completed finished action rather than an ongoing incomplete action as your doctrine teaches.
     
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    19 Go therefore
    make disciples of all the nations


    How are we to make disciples of all nations?


    , baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you;


    the idea of "ignoring all things that I commanded you" is not part of this instruction.

    I think we can all agree on that point.


    And so as part of obedience to that command - Matthew writes the Gospel of Matthew.

    in Christ,

    Bob
     
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    Back @ you, times one million.

    By your insistent teaching on cessationism you have lost all credibility
    as one who understands Scripture, the things of God, the Spirit of God, etc.

    Yes ... In another thread, I just read:
    So, Biblicist, the bottom line is why should I regard your interpretation as the right interpretation?

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  6. Scarlett O.

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    Yeah, I pretty much didn't read anything passed this comment.

    I don't know one, single, solitary genuine Christian - Protestant or Catholic, Pentecostal or Baptist, man or woman, boy or girl, KJVO or not, or of any other descriptor who believes in the security of the believer and trusts that the Bible says we can KNOW that we are saved .....

    .... who believes in salvation being irrevocable that believes what you claim we do - that we are "NOT required to be a disciple".

    "Not required to be a disciple?!"

    Where do you get this stuff?
     
  7. The Biblicist

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    The grammar based information I presented are simple grammatical facts. I noticed you did not even attempt to address them. Don't you understand that application limits for any text is determined by proper exegesis.

    Improper exegesis is what leads to improper interpretations!

    Take some time and read the following short booklet and then take the conversation again:

    http://www.victorybaptistchurchchehalis.com/uploads/What_is_Man.pdf
     
  8. evangelist-7

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    I'm sorry, what cave are you living in? I've lost track. Is it #5,951? Yes, I think that's the one.
    Now, what was the qvestion again?
    Oh yes, you were inquiring about all of those churches that preach easy salvation, cheap grace, OSAS, etc.
    They do have a wonderful time! Highly recommended.
    Bye the way, how's Brett these days? ... Oh, yes, you have no idea what I'm talking about ... Sorry, forgot.

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  9. Scarlett O.

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    So .... you aren't going to answer my question?
     
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    Sure, the answer is: Rhett was Scarlett's poor husband in GWTW (da year b4 I was born).
    Next qvestion, please.

    This is more fun than a barrel of monkeys.
    You should know ... how many monkeys did you say were in that cave with you?
    And how many years did Biblicist spend in that cave after leaving seminary?

    See, I have qvestions too, WW.

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    You are really not worth the time of any sincere student of Scripture. Your doctrine equals your attitude - profane.
     
  12. Wherever You Go

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    Here I am, seriously considering (for the first time on this forum) blocking somebody.

    :BangHead:

    You know, some of "you people" who have ideas different from others of "us people" could argue your case graciously and factually rather than resort to pranks and taunts.
    :flower:
     
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    jesus told them also to procalim forgivess in his name for their sins, so saved first, then discipled!

    Per your theology, at what point is the sinner justified to God?

    At moment received jesus thru faith, or at time when dead, and God looks over all works done ?
     
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    Don't do that. You'll miss all the fun. :laugh:
     
  15. Gerhard Ebersoehn

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    Amen!

    Doesn't matter how much character, they say my reply has too few characters.
     
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