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Judges 21:16 Then the elders of the congregation said, How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing the women are destroyed out of Benjamin?
Judges 21:19 Then they said, Behold, there is a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly in a place which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah.
20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards;
21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.

If you are going to use the Book of Judges for a precedent for women prophesying, why not use it for the preferred way for men to get their wives as well. Go to a dance; see the woman you like, run after her and catch her; steal her and take her home.
Sound like a plan?
The theme of the Book of Judges:
Judges 21:25 In those days there was no king in Israel: every man did that which was right in his own eyes.

And you ask "Why Deborah??"

God works in different ways at different times in history.
He doesn't talk to people through burning bushes, but he did talk to Moses that way.

Hebrews 1:1 God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;
--In the OT God spoke through prophets in different ways.
But now in the NT he speaks through his Son. The way that his Son is revealed to us during this time is through his Word. His completed revelation is the method that God speaks to us. The Holy Spirit speaks to through His Word.

 

That would not seem to meet the requirement.

 

It would be covered.

 

:laugh: :laugh:

 

In fact, I think women should sit at the back of the church so they would not be tempted to talk.

 

Why not just make them stay in the parking lot, and then if they talked, nobody would know or care.

 

I used to come here quite often. Each time I come back I am quickly reminded why I don't visit much. But It's always nice to come back and see that nothing much has changed, while I have moved on. Those of you trying to convince others that women can speak in church are just spinning your wheels. I Joined a long time ago and no one has convinced the administrators of anything. But if it's a lively debate you're looking for, this is definitely the place to come. :smilewinkgrin: :BangHead: :laugh:

 

You're pretty much right, at least as far as the people around here are concerned. Most of them are so steeped in their 19th-century Christianity, there's not really a lot of hope.

But elsewhere is another story. Evangelical Christians from some of the most conservative denominations are realizing that these few Pauline proof-texts used for centuries to repress God's Spirit are 1) not normative for us today, just like the command women covering their heads, and 2) when taken out of context, contradict the greater witness of the Bible in this matter.

Whatever DHK and the other folks think about this really doesn't matter, except to those who unfortunately find themselves in their direct sphere of influence.

 

Whatever DHK and the other folks think about this really doesn't matter, except to those who unfortunately find themselves in their direct sphere of influence.

Quite right Jaigner, the rest of the world moves on. While the same old erroneous reasoning is going on here. I keep praying though.

 

Liberals always trying to convince everyone else that other conservatives hold to their views. I guess it makes them more comfortable with their own position.

 

The word liberal does not just apply to politics.

 

1. Who was the letter written to?
2. Was there a specific the problem in the church in Corinth?
3. Did the same problem exist in other churches of that time?
4. Is the admonishment just to the Corinthians or to all churches?
5. If to all churches, how do you reconcile this verse with others that are more positive about women?
6. Was Paul giving his opinion, or was it directly from God?
7. Paul does not say it is from God as he did in some passages. Right?
8. What was the place of women in the societies of his day?

 

I find it amazing that a place that has so many strong opinions against women preaching, would still run an ad for Joyce Meyer, one of our best female PREACHERS in America today!? :laugh: :love2:

She does preach at her church you know!

 

That is just an opinion.
Do you really call that preaching?

 

BTW, Baptist Board does not have a great deal of control over the ads that google decides to run.

 

I bet there are no fundamental Baptists there.

 

DHK, just for future reference, define preaching for me if you would please.

 

Perhaps you should start a thread on "What makes a good preacher" instead.
The word "preach" is simply "the proclamation of God's Word," which we are all commanded to do in the command given in the Great Commission: "Go into all the world and "preach" the gospel to every creature.
That command is for all believers to obey. It can be as simple as giving the gospel in the witness of your own testimony.

But a preacher, able to preach in a church, is a different matter.
First, it excludes all women.
She "cannot be the husband of one wife," "rule his own household," etc. His wife must be in subjection. It is evident what gender fills the office of a bishop (overseer) or pastor. "She" cannot have authority over a man, nor cannot teach a man. These are stipulations that the Bible, not me, has set forth.
Therefore it would be impossible for a woman to be a pastor/preacher of a church.