Let's ALL Thank (blame) George W....

Discussion in 'Politics' started by righteousdude2, Apr 3, 2012.

  1. righteousdude2

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    ...for the current state of affairs of this nation. If he had only been a better steward (especially during the last twenty-four months, he was in office) with the responsibilities bestowed upon him by the citizens of this great nation given to him for the entire/full eight years, Obama would probably still be a community organizer in downtown Chicago. Instead, Barry now looks to be a lock for a second term!

    Obama should never have blamed Bush for anything. Instead he should be thanking Bush for his reckless behavior (budget wise) during the last two years he was in office. Bush convinced the majority of Americans that "we really needed a change!"

    So, let me count the many ways things I have to be thankful for both Reagan and Bush:

    • Reagan opened the flood gates for ongoing amnesty in this country;
    • Bush spent the nation into a tizzy, causing Obama fever to catch fire and bring us the mess we now have in DC.

    What a shame. Two men, with potential greatness, are going to be forever remembered, by me, for bringing this nation to a point of entitlement that may be irreversible!

    And that is the way I see it...sorry if some of you disagree. Of course, the above are my humble opinion and views, and I see no real reason to debate me, because I am not going to change how I view these two men. :tonofbricks:

    THE ONLY QUESTION I HAVE IS THIS: Do you think the spirit of entitlement can be reversed?
     
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    Ronald Reagan was a good President, the last legitimate one we had. His only mistake was picking George Bush the First as his Vice President. Had he not done that, it would have spared the nation of twelve years of liberal to moderate leadership.
     
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    1. Convince the people and the government that publicly funded education is not authorized by the Constitution--and that the Constitution actually matters for the law.
    2. Teach free market economics in the consequentially growing private education sector; dismantle Keynesian economics and its stupid Paradox of Savings, and demonstrate that poor and rich alike become better off through the freedom of mutual exchange rather than class warfare and meticulous "fairness" laws.

    People have to learn how to THINK and not just be led around by their emotions. Well-meaning intentions can have devastating effects when placed in the wrong object. When people begin to think critically and understand that liberty, rather than benevolent dictatorship, is the recipe for prosperity, they can shed themselves of the emotional indoctrination that tyranny and subjugation is essential "for their good."
     
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    Well, there you go again....

    Bush can be criticized for increasing spending, no doubt, HOWEVER, he was closing the budget deficit gap from $413B to $163B in his last three years. So when he handed the budget over to Obama the deficit was at $163 billion and was reducing. So you say that action caused Obama's propensity to spend to 'catch fire' and bring us the mess we now have? In other words, the deficit is rapidly decreasing and you are blaming Bush for being a bad steward and giving Obama license to spend. The budget deficit for 2012 will be $1.3 trillion. Only one Republican in both the House and Senate voted for Obama's stimulus bill. No Republican voted for ObamaCare. Yet you blame Bush. Too bad facts are not on your side.
     
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    In theory that sounds good, but those who are getting the freebies will say that they should be exempt as well as a host of other excuses.

    I am sure a few might come to their senses with the proper education, but for the masses, I would not count on it. :tear:

    Until there is a total collapse and then we will go thur the cycle as I linked in post # 3
     
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    Which public school districts get their funding from the Federal government? Aren't most, if not all, public schools funded by local and state governments?
     
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    You need to do a bit more research if you believe that no federal funds flow to local school districts.
     
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    AND the feds!!!
     
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    Don't confuse the matter with facts! Didn't you see where he said he didn't want to debate about this (after posting in the debate forum)?
     
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    I realize there is some federal money that goes to some districts, but the bulk of funding comes from local sources, via local and state taxes.
     
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    Just looked up my local school district and 12.4% of their budget revenue comes from federal sources. That's about what I expected. That's $212,327,850.25 per a school year. Remember, that is for one single county in Florida.
     
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    That percentage is more than I expected. I expected about 4%-5% mostly related to school lunch programs and meeting the criteria for No Kids Left Behind. Do they say what that federal money gets spent on?
     
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    Somewhere in the 300 page document it might detail if federal funds have a particular designation, but to be honest I'm not going to search through for that right now.

    The point is that a huge amount of dollars come from the federal level into local school systems.
     
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    In the end, does it make any difference if the taxes given to schools come out of my left pocket or right pocket?

    Unless you consider NJ spending $16,271 (one of the highest) and Tenn one of the lowest spending about $7897
     
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    Yes, it makes a very large difference. There are things that should be dealt with at a federal level and there are things that should be dealt with at a more local level. Education is one of the things that shouldn't be handled at the federal level at all.
     
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    Wow, we agree. There is no better way to deal with education than funding at the state level, and decisions made at the local school board level.
     
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    Why is it surprising that we agree about federal spending? I think that the federal government is way too large. It spends way too much money on way too many programs that it shouldn't even be involved in.
     
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    Why, because we have disagreed on other issues, such as the honesty of Mitt Romney.
     
  20. matt wade

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    No, I don't think we've disagreed on that particular subject. I'm not a supporter of Romney. I don't like Romney. I'll only be voting for him because he's (slightly) better than Obama.
     

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