You would be shocked if God revealed to you how full of bull you really are. Yes- you... and me too. Humble people don't TRY TO APPEAR HUMBLE. Peace makers don't go around exalting themselves as peace makers. Most of us ACT like we are concerned about non-Christians reading these threads but when it SUITS us we get just as nasty as those we lecture for their nastiness. So let's cut the bull crud, guys (and gals). If you think you are mature and enlightened it is unequivocal PROOF that you are most assuredly THE OPPOSITE of mature and enlightened. There is no way to discuss matters such as these without being pointed; without saying things bluntly in a way that some people are going to get upset. If we are concerned about non-christians reading these threads so we have to put on airs of being always gentle when NONE of us believe that you should always be gentle- then this site has NO PURPOSE other than to deceive. But the fact is that NONE of us are ALWAYS concerned about being nice for the sake of lurkers because ALL of us get pointed and rough when it suits us. Old Union proved that in the very thread he started to lecture people about being ALWAYS sweet. He pleads for sweetness and then when someone questioned his sincerity he IMMEDIATELY got vicious. Let's just talk like men (those of us who are) and let tempers flair from time to time. Let's stop trying to fool ourselves and others that we are SO VERY sensitive to lurkers or fellow Christians. ALL OF US on this site get angry and hateful when it suits us and MOST of us get pious and holier than thou condemning others for being angry and hateful when it suits us. We are all plagued with an arrogant, self-centered, self-exalting, self-righteous Adamic nature and it comes out often. It shows itself through our preaching down at others as if we are more enlightened and sensitive and it shows itself when we get vicious. Let's acknowledge that we are all plagued with the flesh, talk like men and go on. I CAN'T THINK OF ANYTHING THAT WOULD BE BETTER FOR NON-CHRISTIANS TO SEE. What they despise is this holier-than-thou, putting on fake airs crud. When they see that we recognize that we have tempers just like they do, and they see we recognize we can be self-righteous with the best of them- it tears down barriers of bull crap which stinks in their nostrils repulsing them away from the Faith and it reminds them of the Gospel- JESUS CAME TO SAVE SINNERS OF WHOM WE (ON THIS BOARD) ARE CHIEF. So let's stop the self-righteous bloviating about how we STAND FOR GENTLENESS and have GREAT CONCERN FOR NON-CHRISTIANS who might read these threads. I'm not saying that we shouldn't be sensitive to all these things but there is an OBVIOUS sense from so many of us lecturers that there is MORE than just CONCERN in our snotty lecturing. Let's cut the bull and be real- what do you think?