Let's put some names and faces on it

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Alcott, Jul 27, 2004.

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Among the following deceased persons, who do you think is now in hell [hades]?

  1. Carl Sagan—proclaimed disbelief in God; not known to have changed this belief

    51.3%
  2. John Kennedy—Catholic, took sacraments, but not known to be especially devout; not known to have cha

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  3. Ann Landers—Jewish; believed in God, said Jesus was a great teacher but <i>not</i> her savior, and n

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Anwar Sadat—as President of Egypt, he negotiated peace with Israel and was assassinated by more extr

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  5. Ida Strauss—wealthy Jew, who along with husband grew Macy’s Department Store,, and refused to leave

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  6. David Koresh—claimed he <i>is</i> Jesus Christ; ruled defiant cult in compound, claimed women in cul

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Michael Landon—producer of <i>Little House on the Prairie</i> and <i>Highway to Heaven</i>, he claim

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Ronald Reagan—Presbyterian by membership, referred to God in national speeches, but at least once sa

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  9. Elvis Presley—referred to God and recorded gospel albums, was generous to his close friends; but wa

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Mickey Mantle—admitted heavy drinking, adultery, other sins; was persuaded to make a decision for Ch

    35.9%
  11. I will not presume that anyone is in hell [hades], no matter how compelling the 'evidence'

    7.7%
  12. I will not answer affirmatively to any of the mentioned people because we have no concern with such

    2.6%
  13. I do not believe <i>anyone</i> is in hell [hades] <i>right now</i>

    2.6%
  14. I do not believe there is such a place or condition as hell [hades]

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
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  1. Alcott

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    I do not expect a poll like this to be liked or well-received. If what we believe from scripture, however, is true to the best of our discernment, these are the kind of answers we may have difficulty accepting, let alone defending when put on the defensive. Of these examples of deceased persons, whose belief in Christ range from denial to dubious, who do you think is now in hell [hades]?
     
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    I haven't a clue about who is in hell - only God and that individual knows that.
     
  3. Jeffrey H

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    The Bible says that those that believe in Christ will inherit eternal life. However, Jesus said that many will call him "Lord", but he will tell them to "depart from me, I never knew you".

    I do not know who is in heaven or hell. Only God knows the heart of men. I don't.
     
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    The truth is there will be people we did not expect to see in Heaven and some we expected to see will not be there. Only God knows for sure. Either way, there is only one way to Heaven and that is through Jesus Christ.
     
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    I think these questions in general are much easier. The Bible does give us guidelines to know who has Christ as their Savior. While we cannot know for sure, we can know that those who publicly repudiate Christ are not in heaven. There is only one other place for them.
     
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    I find these results to be interesting.
     
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    Oh, well. I guess I just won't see the results, as I would not vote.
     
  8. dianetavegia

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    I was shocked at some of the results! This IS a Baptist only forum, afterall! YIKES!

    Diane
     
  9. Alcott

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    If it's a "clue" you're looking for, here it is:

    And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned (Mark 16:15-16).
     
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    What gives me the right to claim that I can judge a man's heart?
     
  11. Alcott

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    A stethoscope? Anyway, at least you do now have your "clue."
     
  12. Jeffrey H

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    Diane,

    There are variances in the answers because we really don't know the hearts of men and women. Some of the questions I chose not to answer.

    If someone verbally rejects Christ to my face, then I can say, based on the Bible, they are headed to hell unless they repent. At the same time, there are many professing Christians that will not enter the gates of heaven. They may say the right words, pray the right way, but Jesus will tell them "depart from me, I never you."

    I believe that we can have absolute assurance of our salvation. We can't always have that assurance for someone else.

    --Jeff

    [ July 28, 2004, 08:38 AM: Message edited by: Jeffrey H ]
     
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    Plus we have no idea what happens in a persons heart "on the deathbed."
     
  14. Jeffrey H

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    Great point! I get so tired of hearing: "I know he's in heaven because he prayed the 'sinner's prayer' and accepted Jesus just before he died." That's certainly good news and it's a comfort to hear, but we cannot know for certain if they were sincere.

    Case in point: I vistited a gentleman in the hospital who was near death. On his bed, he wanted to be saved and he prayed to receive Christ. A few days later, he miraculously recovered and was sent home. My pastor made arrangements for him to be baptized before the church. At first he cooperated, but later he refused to be baptized and never came back to church.
     
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    And we also don't know how many people, in those last moments before eternity - in the quiet of their own hearts - put their faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation without ever praying a prayer out load.
     
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    The only people who will go to heaven are God's elect. All others, of their own volition and depraved free will, will go to hell.

    And last time I knew, it was GOD who did the selecting, not Bob. So I will leave the final tally to the One Who does right.
     
  17. Alcott

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    Plus we have no idea what happens in a persons heart "on the deathbed."

    It stops beating; that's what.

    And we also don't know how many people, in those last moments before eternity - in the quiet of their own hearts - put their faith in Jesus Christ alone for salvation without ever praying a prayer out load.

    Maybe this is one of those surprising-- or 'shocking' as someone has remarked-- things, considering this a Baptist poll, but just 41% have answered that "A person who continues to commit fornication, theft and lies will not go to hell [hades] if he comes to believe in Jesus 2 seconds before his death." It's easy to see a Catholic (no sacraments) or 'Church of Christ' (no baptism) answer in this way; but apparently some Baptists do in fact believe that more is required for salvation than belief in Jesus Christ.
     
  18. Alcott

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    And last time I knew, it was GOD who did the selecting, not Bob.

    But God is not allowed by forum rules to make any selections on this poll; he is not a Baptist by membership.
     
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    God isn't Baptist! :eek: :eek: Are you going to tell him or shall I?

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
  20. GODzThunder

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    God is not a Baptist?!?!?!?!?!? Blasphemy, heresy, why just wait I am calling Baily Smith about this one!!!

    Why are you implying that God is a *ghasp* Catholic???

    j/k [​IMG] LOL
     

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