Rather than derail a couple of other threads, I'd like to generate some discussion on two verses. John 12:32 "...and I, if I be lifted up, will draw all men unto me." John 6:44 "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him; and I will raise him up in the last day." Questions for discussion: 1. Does "all men" mean all without exception? Or all kinds of men? Such as both Jews and Gentiles? 2. In 6:44, no one can come to Jesus unless he is drawn; those whom the Father draws come to Jesus, who will raise them up. This is clearly a picture of salvation. 3. If, then, all are drawn, and all who are drawn will come, and be raised up, how is this not universalism? 4. In the gospels, the Pharisees were clearly not drawn. They hated Jesus and plotted his death. Explain, please. 5. All have not heard the gospel, thus are not drawn. If one holds that "all" in 12:32 means "all without exception," why did Paul make three missionary journeys? If you hold that all have heard the gospel, please make your case. Release the hounds!