Letter From Birmingham Jail

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  1. Gershom

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    While jailed in Birmingham, Martin Luther King wrote to his fellow clergyman. The posted quote is only a small portion of the actual letter. You can read the entire letter here: Martin Luther King. Some might think MLK was in violation of Romans 13.

    So was he right or wrong in breaking the law, given the reason?

     
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    Romans 13 was written to Christians in Rome about Jews and Gentiles under the heel of Rome. Obey or die. It is not applicable to a democratic republic. Paul spoke to the issues then. He had no concept of a democratic republic, as in the USA.

    King's letter is well-written, whether one agrees with it or not.
     
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    The ten commandments were written to the Jews when they were running from the egyptians so they are not applicable to us today. Riiiiiiiight.:BangHead:

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    If you say that MLK was wrong, then you also have to say that the founders of this country (USA) were wrong to rebel against the British athourity.
     
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    Completely deleted due to technical difficulties.
     
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    What happened above is what you find when your daughter signs on with your computer and you don't know about it. Then when you sign on it automatically comes up signing in under her sign in name and you are too tired to realize it. Crazy world we live in and it ain't gettin' any better folks.

    Truly Bartimaeus in his own place now.:eek:
     
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    1) Be careful DeeJay there are some highuppers here on the board that believe we should still be drinking tea at 4PM and saluting the Union Jack. They would have been the Tories that we all know about. They sure are enjoying the blessings of rebellion (as they call it) and have taken no thought about packing up and moving to where they ought to be.

    2) MLK was absolutely right. I do not care for his teachers as he listed them but, he was correct and the actions he led people to do were right.

    3) The Doctrine of the Civil Magistrate is lost in America. It is not correctly taught in 99% of American Baptist Churches. As it is taught the Germans were wrong to disobey Hitler and the Russians were wrong to disobey Stalin and on and on.

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    The Apostle Peter's grand declaration, "We must obey God rather than men" has to be factored in to this discussion. King's ethic, fully worked out, included a recognition that those who engage in civil disobedience must be prepared to accept the consequences of that disobedience. To attempt to avoid arrest and due process would be to suggest that the civil powers have no proper jurisdiction. King would argue that the state is ordained of God to wield the "sword", but that unjust laws have to be challenged in order to bring the state into line with God's standards.

    Incidentally, a friend and fellow church member of mine was the young lady who typed Dr. King's letter as it was smuggled out, in bits and pieces, on newspaper margins, toilet tissue, and other scraps. She has a fascinating story to tell!
     
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    Wow! I would love to be able to sit with her and listen to that story.

    Being born in 1965, I was too young to understand what a trying time it must have been for certain folks. I admire Dr. King and would have marched along with him because I believe he was just in doing so. The reaction of authorities and "by-standers" only proves the wicked heart of some men (and women).
     
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    MLK is quoted as saying had he been in Germany at the time of Hitler---he would have come to the aid of the Jew-----well, yes---I suppose with the ability to look back knowing what he knew about German history---had he lived then knowing what he knew at the present

    But had he been reared in Germany from childhood like the rest of the citizens there at the time---not knowing nothing but what he heard coming from the radio and newspapers and from word of mouth----most likely 99.999% chance he would have joined in the malay of Krystalnight. He would have been "hoo-dooed" like the rest who were "hoo-dooed" and lived in a state of deniel of anything wrong with bringing terrible insult to the Jewish German citizen!!
     
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    I don't believe that, brother blackbird. I believe Martin Luther King, Jr would have been the good Samaritan we read about in the Bible.
     
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    Gershom----"could" have been is a better word than "would" have been

    The National German citizens "could" have----they all had the potential to --- but many turned their backs while the Jews turned their cheeks

    Lets just say that MLK was living in Germany----the year---1936---he knows nothing of democracy---only socialism---the only thing being "fed" to the German people was National Socialism with a twist for hatred---Hitler him own self saying that if he fed the stupid German people a lie long enough---after a while they'd grow to believe with all their hearts it was the truth!!!

    Knowing nothing of the ringing of freedom----he(MLK) would choose socialism with its bent toward hatred.----just like you and I would have had we been part of the 80 million citizens.

    MLK was born in '29----just a few years after Hitler's Munich Beer Hall feasico and the publication of Mein Kiempt----a publication absorbed by obsessed Germans----a publication ignored by ignorant Americans

    By the time MLK would have been old enough to understand what was going on----he would have been learning the Goose Step technique and had made his way in line to receive a Brown shirt---he too, would have been assimulated and would have been one of thousands upon thousands who mysteriously showed up at various German airdromes to "hear the latest!!"
     
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    Any one of us could be "hoo-dooed" (like the word :smilewinkgrin: ).

    But the thinking man/woman looks back at history and sees the mistakes made. Then they try to avoid being "hoo-dooed" themselfs. I think that is what MLK was saying. He is saying that looking back knowing what he knows now he would have been on the right side of the issue.

    We all can admit that we can be "hoo-dooed", maybe by our up bringing. But at least we should be able to look back and see what was right and what was wrong. And attempt to choose right the next time history repeats itself.
     
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    I don't believe that. In that way of thinking, there is no hope for a light to shine in a dark hole, but I feel the opposite is true and I believe Martin Luther King Jr., given the heart that God gave him, would not succumb to such a way of thinking and would stretch out his hand to help and minister to his fellow man.

    I have read of another Martin who was brought up and taught a certain way but he became a light in a dark world centuries ago.
    So there is always hope for one to rise up and lead the way even among such wicked influences.
     
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    "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?"---Jeremiah 17:9

    Given the circumstances that surrounded Nazi Germany at the time---had he been a citizen of that fair country NOT knowing then what is known now----he'd been "hoo-dooed" like the rest of 'um!!

    The Dietrich Bonhoeffer's and Brother Andrews of the then world were few and far between!! Sad but true!!:tear:
     
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    I was talking to a preacher today and he was telling how he was brought up in church to believe a certain way. But God sparked a light in him and he saw the truth and changed his way of thinking. So he had been hoo-dooed, but prevailed and is now a voice and a light to the right way. God can do the same and that includes you, me, and Martin Luther King, Jr.

    I don't believe that men are neccesarily trapped by their surroundings and inevitably given to follow the course they were brought up in. Shucks, even in the 1960's where blacks were brought up to be considered less than whites understood that that wasn't so.

    Martin Luther King was a light shining in the darkness.

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    But there are examples of Non-hoo-dooed citizens of Germany at the time. Right, who is to say if MLK would have been one or not. Speculation.
     

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