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Lewis vs Christ

Discussion in 'General Baptist Discussions' started by Mark Osgatharp, Dec 11, 2005.

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  1. Mark Osgatharp

    Mark Osgatharp New Member

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    C.S. Lewis said:

    "There are people in other religions who are being led by God's secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it."

    Jesus Christ said:

    "I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine."

    Now who was right?

    Mark Osgatharp
     
    #1 Mark Osgatharp, Dec 11, 2005
  2. tinytim

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    Christ.
    Lewis was mistaken, that doesn't make him bound for Hell.
     
    #2 tinytim, Dec 11, 2005
  3. PastorSBC1303

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    Mark,

    Lewis salvation was not based in one quote.

    Just like your salvation is not based on your behavior on this board.
     
    #3 PastorSBC1303, Dec 11, 2005
  4. JamieinNH

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    I am still wondering why it matters?

    Are you preaching to him? Have you planned on witnessing to him?

    To me, it doesn't matter unless they are in my life, or I plan on witnessing to them.

    There are Chrisian and non-Christian people everywhere, and it's not our purpose in life to debate these kinds of things.

    NO ONE on this board, or anywhere can say if someone is a Christian or not, they can guess, they can assume, but they can't say for sure, so it's really a moot point.

    I also don't see the reason for so many DIFFERENT posts about the same topic.

    Can't we focus our attention on better things?

    Jamie

    oh, btw TinyTim was correct in his post. Christ was right, Lewis was wrong, but he is also human, and not perfect.
     
    #4 JamieinNH, Dec 11, 2005
  5. Filmproducer

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    This is getting to be ridiculous. First of all, I'm sure we all believe Christ's words over that of C.S. Lewis. Secondly, when you are God, then I will listen to your opinions over who is saved or not saved. As PSBC1303, and others, have mentioned his salvation is not based on one quote. Let's move on. How many threads do we need on the same topic?
     
    #5 Filmproducer, Dec 11, 2005
  6. Bunyon

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    "There are people in other religions who are being led by God's secret influence to concentrate on those parts of their religion which are in agreement with Christianity, and who thus belong to Christ without knowing it."--------------------------------------------------

    I agree that this might be possibly true. Emphasis on Possibly.
     
    #6 Bunyon, Dec 11, 2005
  7. tinytim

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    Bunyon, Why oh why did you take the bait???
    Just joking.
     
    #7 tinytim, Dec 11, 2005
  8. Marcia

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    #8 Marcia, Dec 11, 2005
  9. Dr. Bob

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    I'll take Christ, thank you!

    Lewis is known for:
    (1) Turning to the Catholic Church before his death
    (2) Believed in prayers for the dead
    (3) Believed in purgatory
    (4) Confessed his sins regularly to a priest
    (5) Received the Catholic sacrament of last rites on July 16, 1963
    (6) Rejected the doctrine of bodily resurrection
    (7) Believed there is salvation in pagan religions
    (8) Denied the total depravity of man
    (9) Denied the substitutionary atonement of Christ
    (10) Believed in evolution
    (11) Rejected the Bible as the infallible Word of God
    (12) Used profanity
    (13) Told bawdy stories
    (14) Frequently got drunk with his students
    (15) Denied the biblical doctrine of an eternal fiery hell
    (16) Prefered ecumenicism
    (17) Attributed salvation to the sacraments

    Dr. Martin Lloyd-Jones told Christianity Today that because [C.S.] 'Lewis was essentially a philosopher, his view of salvation was defective. ... Lewis was an opponent of the substitutionary and penal theory of the Atonement.'
     
    #9 Dr. Bob, Dec 11, 2005
  10. Marcia

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    I don't know of any non-Christian religions that agree enough with Christianity for there to be any kind of comparison between the two. The non-christian religions I know about are incredibly opposed to Chrisitan beliefs and to God's word.
     
    #10 Marcia, Dec 11, 2005
  11. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I don't think I understand why the harsh reaction to this topic?

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #11 Joseph_Botwinick, Dec 11, 2005
  12. cojosh

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    Sounds like Lewis had some messed up theology!

    Would you consider him a Hairy-Tick? [​IMG]
     
    #12 cojosh, Dec 12, 2005
  13. Gold Dragon

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    I have no problems with the following:

    I disagree with the following but since I'm a baptist who believes in Soul Liberty, I don't have a problem with Lewis believing them.

    While I have problems with the way you have stated the following, I have a feeling if it was stated the way Lewis actually believed them, I would probably be able to put them in one of the above categories.

    I won't defend any of Lewis' indiscretions.

     
    #13 Gold Dragon, Dec 12, 2005
  14. Filmproducer

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    Joseph,

    Please see the "C.S. Lewis was not a Christian" thread. How many threads do we need on the same topic? This same quote is being discussed there.
     
    #14 Filmproducer, Dec 12, 2005
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    Sorry. I guess I just haven't been following it very close.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #15 Joseph_Botwinick, Dec 12, 2005
  16. Filmproducer

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    He's human, I don't expect perfection.
     
    #16 Filmproducer, Dec 12, 2005
  17. Mike McK

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    Of these, only one is an essential and I'm not sure that he believed that one as you say he did.
     
    #17 Mike McK, Dec 12, 2005
  18. Rachel

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    Jesus Christ is always right, over any human, no matter who they are.
    The day I meet a perfect Christian is the day I will be in Heaven. I guess we will have to wait to see if he's there or not.
     
    #18 Rachel, Dec 12, 2005
  19. rsr

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    He is known for — according to whom? That's quite a list. Would anyone care to cite specific examples of each?

    Anyone who could write a favorable forward to Athanasius: On the Incarnation must have something going for him.

    I can live with that.
     
    #19 rsr, Dec 12, 2005
  20. Bunyon

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    "I don't know of any non-Christian religions that agree enough with Christianity for there to be any kind of comparison between the two. The non-christian religions I know about are incredibly opposed to Christian beliefs and to God's word."----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    I don't think Lewis is talking about folks of another religion who have access to the knowledge and leading of the Bible. I think he is talking about folks who do not have access yet reject parts of their religion and call on in there hearts for something unknown to them, but that they sense is there. For instance a head hunter in South America who in his heart rejects his tribal paganism and calls out to something he senses that is greater than he for mercy. Can you say he is not saved just because he can't call Jesus by name. I don't know.
     
    #20 Bunyon, Dec 12, 2005
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