Liberals are destroying our future!

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  1. seekingthetruth

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    Liberals, especially the ones that call themselves "Christians" are destroying the future for our children.

    Progressive liberalism promoted by "christians" is the most dangerous threat that our churches and our society as a whole are facing.

    I just pray that God takes action and stops this madness.

    John
     
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    You are so dramatic. :laugh:
     
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    I agree with everything except the last line. I believe God has left us to our madness. God has done nothing but bless this nation, and look how we have treated Him. Not only is sin rampant, it is the official law of the land. Evidence of this is the two we have picked to run against each other for the leadership of our country. It is what we deserve, and a reflection of us as a whole.
     
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    You have a very strange sense of humor. There is nothing funny about it.
     
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    Actually it is conservative Christians and fundamentalists who are killing the church by marrying their view of Christianity with Republican politics.
     
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    If you have read any of my posts for several months, you will see that I treat Republicans and Democrats exactly the same. There is one candidate in particular I have stopped posting about because I cannot be objective about the person.
     
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    That's fine. But your question was about why the church is in decline. I was answering not to the question in general.

    I see a number of reasons the church is in decline.

    1. Marrying Christianity to a political party.
    2. Marrying Christianity to a culture.
    3. Holding to positions that are seen by the population in general, and to young people in particular as impossible, out of date, irrelevant.
    4. Holding fast to Paul's words to prove their point, why ignoring Christ's teachings. Have you noticed how seldom Christ is quoted here on the BB by conservatives and how Paul dominates?
    5. Ignoring Christ's teaching on how we are to treat others.
     
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    To a degree I agree with your points. What amazes me is that lots of members of this board and people in general think that for some odd reason, we deserve a party or candidate that God endorses because we have followed His commands so well. Another fact that amazes me is that anyone would equate a Holy God with a from the pits of hell Republican or Democratic Party. As far as the culture and Christianity, we have seen in thread after thread how human nature puts sins on pedestals in an order that suites those creating the pedestal, usually with gossip, gluttony, pride, jealousy, and the way we treat others at the bottom of the rung. We are too busy polishing our own image by worrying about dancing and lottery tickets.

    Paul's and Christ's teachings are in harmony and have no place in supporting the garbage going on in this nation today. Paul's words are always taken out of context to support some nut case idea. Paul is used to help others point a finger, which is not the purpose of his writings.
     
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    You must be talking about a different board. I see a group of people who know too well the judgment reserved for the politics of Crabtownboy and his party, and are making their appeals to avoid it. You think Ninevah was spared because they followed God's commandments well?

    Second. Don't agree with Crabtownboy. From one side of his mouth he condemns conservatives for basing their political views on the truth of Scripture, and out of the other side defends his own by citing his perversions thereof.
     
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    You must mean like the left wing Christians are doing with the Democrat party. Like yourself.
     
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    An just what do you think the Lord has in store for the Republican Party, a crown of righteouness? No, I am talking about members of this board in an attempt to link the Republican Party with a Holy God. There is enough criticism of the other side to go around.

    I think Ninevah was spared because it was God's will. What does that have to do with the pathetic state of the Republican Party?
     
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    I agree that the Republican Party is the lesser of two evils, and I in no way associate it with the church.

    However, the Republican Party does not support abortoion, gay marriage, redistribution of wealth, and socialism in general.

    Maybe the republicans will destroy the nation, but they'll have a hard time beating the Dems to it.

    John
     
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    On the first two, abortion and gay rights: Who are you kidding? We've had Republican majorities for enough years in the 30 years to have repealed Roe vs Wade and kept the gay "agenda" from proliferating and they haven't bothered. Too interested in getting us into wars we had no business fighting.

    On the second: Of course the Republicans want wealth redistribution! Only they want it redistributed from your pocket to theirs!! Make no mistake, when they talk about free enterprise they are endorsing the same policies that allowed things like child labor and wages that were barely high enough to feed ones family. They are endorsing allowing the wealth of the nation to reside in the hands of a few big businesses and weathy families. People need to remember why we have some of the policies we have in this country before they shout "socialism".

    On the last: No, the Republicans don't want socialism. They perfer control through economics. Control is control people. If we are a nation that believes in freedom (which you cannot have complete freedom without have anarchy) then we must regulate who, how and where control is given. Republicans want business to be in control. Democrats want government to be in control. Funny but both seem to have forgotten that in the US control rests in the hands of the people.
     
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    If I agreed with the OP I would agree with you, it would be very serious. I don't think the problems we face here in the United States are the fault of any one political philosophy.

    I know it makes conservatives feel better about themselves to blame all our woes on the wicked, evil "Liberals," but I think this a lie.
     
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    That's a lie.

    Christians are not married to a political party, but usually vote for the candidate that best represents Christian values.

    Normally, that's not a democrat. Never a liberal.
     
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    Roe vs Wade is a Supreme Court ruling, not a law, so congress cannot "repeal" it.

    The Republicans simply promote a system that makes it possible for everyone to be successful. The Dems prefer to keep us all the same so that noboday gets ahead of the next person. They take the motivation out of folks by taxing them and calling them evil if they are successful.

    Class warfare is a sham

    BTW, a poor man has never given me a job.

    John
     
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    God said that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church.

    But Crabby believes that Republicans can. :laugh:

    The Church is not in decline.
     
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    Until recently, Republicans did at least attempt to establish a difference between them and the Democrats on gay rights and abortion. On record, Reagan was pro life, as were both Bushes. Bush the Second had majorities in both houses and not much happened. At least there was a difference on paper, and Bush did appoint two pro life justices. (the second not the first, as Suiter turned out to be a disaster)

    The tone has totally changed with the election this year. One cannot say that either nominee is pro life. Obama is pro choice and makes it loud and clear. The other one is pro abortion in practice, and pro life in campaigning.

    In all my posts, it gives me no pleasure in not being able to vote for either party. This is the first time since I started voting when Nixon ran that there has not been a candidate I could not pull the lever for. For all the faults of Nixon and Kennedy in 1960, what was known about them at the time, I could have voted for either compared to the garbage we produce today. Johnson-Goldwater produced two capable candidates, although I was for Goldwater. Even the liberals of the day, Johnson and Humphrey, did not run up deficits like both parties do today. In 1976, Carter and Ford were decent men. Reagan and Carter were decent men with honest political differences. I do believe the start of the progression of worse candidates started in 1988 with Bush and Dukakis. Not so bad at first, but has accelerated to what we have today, Obama and Romney, totally unacceptable.

    I am not a predictor of the future, but what choice are we going to have in 2016, a mass murderer vs a child molestor?

    It is obvious third parties are not the answer in today's climate, although theoreticially possible. It is also obvious we are not going to change the Democratic Party. The only hope we have is to learn the lesson we should have in 2008 and before, that liberal, amoral candidates that stand for nothing will probably not win on the Republican ticket, and if they do, will certainly do nothing to make our nation a better place to live.

    The quickest solution is to take the thrashing we are going to get in November, and like 1976 to 1980, seek out a conservative, Constitutional leader, take back the White House in 2016, and start to rebuild this nation.

    If the Republican nominee could squeak out a victory, which he cannot, the result would be a continued pattern of fighting with Congress, no direction or leadership, and a nation adrift for four years. Again, with this pattern in 2016, the Democrats would take back the White House, and it would start all over again.

    We have got to have a permanent, meaningful change, not a weak candidate to limp along for four years, and hand power right back over to the Democrats.

    I still say Reagan's biggest mistake was picking Bush as VP.
     
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    I like the way your word your posts, even when I do not totally agree.
     
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    So was Plessy vs Ferguson but we no longer abide by it for it was over ruled by a later court and by better legislation. We can repeal Supreme Court rulings, but the Congress, the President and people all have to want it.(for those who don't remember this was the ruling that allowed seperate but equal facilities for whites and blacks)

    Without a Congress that believes in the same ideals a president like this will have no effect. Better politicians start inside local communities. Until we put people who believe in fair but conservative policies in place locally, nationally we will have none to draw from even if they exist anymore.
     

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