Life’s most important question(even for Baptists)

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  1. stilllearning

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    Hi

    Life’s most important question, is “Are you saved”.

    This question, is important, because it will determine where you will spend eternity;

    But it is also important, because it will change your life.
    Many of the issues being discussed here, fall into this same category:
    i.e. (If a person has been born again, this wouldn’t even be an issue!)

    It’s heart breaking to say, but what it at the heart, of many people’s problem, is they need to get saved.
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    The first thing that you must understand, is that "you are a sinner" : Now before you get mad, let me explain, that I am a sinner also; The Bible says in Romans 3:23 etc., that we are all sinners, in need of forgiveness. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" (Romans 3:23) Until you face this fact, you can't go any further. All that, "being a sinner" means, is that some time in your life, you have sinned! We must be honest with ourselves about this, or we will die and go to Hell.
    Next, you must understand, that "God knows, that you are a sinner": And as a result, you have already been judged as guilty before Him. The Bible says in Romans 6:23 etc., that sinners, will have to face eternal death, if they don't get their sins forgiven:

    Secondly, you must be motivated to be saved(God won't save you, unless you really want to be saved). This brings us to our next Scripture:
    "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." (Romans 6:23)
    The "Death" being talked about here, is Eternal death in a lake of fire; This is pretty serious business. Rather than debating, weather or not God is right, for sending unbelievers to hell, you aught to first make sure that you aren't gong there. Hell is real, and after you get saved and start studying the Bible and going to Church, you will quickly learn that God is right, in sending people there.

    Also notice, that the second line in this verse, gives us a clue, about the true way of salvation, "but the gift of God is eternal life": God has set things up, so that the only way to get our sins forgiven and be saved, is to accept it, as "a gift": That is, we can't work our way to heaven, by doing good things: We must receive Salvation, as a gift!

    Now, you are ready, for the good news: The one fact about the meaning of life, that makes all the difference: The fact, that makes Christianity different, from every other religion on earth: And that is the fact, that our Savior died in our place, so that we wouldn't have to. The Bible says, in Romans 5:8, that God, demonstrated his love for us, by sending His Son, to die for us: "But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us." (Romans 5:8) This verse is from the Bible; and that means that every word of it, is important.

    This word "commendeth", simply means "Demonstrated"; But the really good part about this verse, is where it says, "while we were yet sinners". This means, that in order to get saved, we can't be helping God to save us; We must be sinners, in need of His Salvation! Until you realize that your are a sinner, and need God's Salvation, you can not be saved.

    One more important point about salvation, is that our Savior Jesus Christ, not only died for us on the cross, but was buried and spent three days in hell, and then rose from the grave, to prove that He was God: "And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" (1 Corinthians 15:4) This is important, because it reminds us, that our Savior conquered death, and that by Him, we will also gain a victory over death. This is the eternal life, that is promised to every one that gets saved.

    The last thing that I have to say to you is......if right now, you realize that you are a sinner: and You believe that God knows about it, and has judged you guilty: and You also believe that God loved you enough, to send His only Son to earth, to die on the cross for you, and then to rise again, three days later: Than you are ready to get saved, right now!
    The Bible says, in Romans 10:13, that real salvation, is as simple as, asking Jesus to save you:
    "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." (Romans 10:13)

    If right now, you are convinced in your heart, that you are a sinner, and that you need to get saved, then you are ready for salvation, at this very moment!

    You don't have to wait until Sunday, you can get saved right now, by asking Jesus to save you. He promised in the Bible(John 6:37), that He will never say no, to anyone!

    So right now, you can get saved, by simply talking to Jesus in prayer and asking Him to save you:

    "Dear Jesus, I know that I am a sinner, and I believe that you died and rose again, to save me; please save me now, and help me to live for you!" Amen

    -That's it!-

    If you understood this message, and believed the Bible truth that is contained in it, and asked Jesus to save you, than you are saved, and I will see you in heaven, one of these days! And from now on, you will be praying to your Heavenly Father, in Jesus’ name.

    P.S. If you have gotten saved, you need to find a Bible believing Church, and join it by water baptism; So you can learn of all the other wonderful truth's, that the Bible has to offer!
     
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    Welcome to BB!

    Great first post.

    I wrote a letter to one of my friends last week, with basically the same info in it, and as a result I have seen 2 saved, and I know of over 500 people that have read the info...

    Here read about it here... http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=50365
     
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    Fantastic gospel presentation! I want to get saved! Oh wait, I already am, but reading that made me want it all over again!
    It brought back memories of my salvation and how exciting that time was.
    :godisgood:

    Thanks stilllearning, and welcome to the BB! :wavey:
     
  4. Brutus

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    Life's most important question

    Stilllearning: Welcome to the BB!!

    I do have a question for you. Do you really believe that one must pray,a sinner's prayer if you will, in order to be saved? Personally, I have come accross far too many people who, when asked about their salvation will answer : why, yes I'm saved, I went forward at invitation and went with a person into a room and prayed a prayer. A person from the church visited my house and led me in a prayer.

    Michael (Brutus) Psa.121 :thumbs:
     
  5. Tom Butler

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    Brutus is asking an important question because we have two situations to deal with.

    The first is that many professing believers--including my father and me--never prayed a prayer. My pastor didn't ask us to pray; he simply asked us a series of questons, including "Do you trust Jesus as your Lord?"

    The second is that many professing believers are staking their entire spiritual future on this testimony: "I said the prayer."

    A further problem is that you have taken it upon yourself to declare saved those who prayed the prayer. You can't possibly know that. I suspect you know several people who have said those words, but give no evidence of a transformed life.

    Brother stilllearning, I admire your zeal and your passion for souls. Because we are dealing with matters of eternal significance, we must measure all we do and say against the scriptures, even if it means dumping those things which we have been taught and even have held almost sacred.
     
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    Hi Brutus

    Nice to hear from you;

    You asked.......
    “Do you really believe that one must pray, a sinner's prayer if you will, in order to be saved?”

    No; In fact I never use that term, because it gives people the impression, that there is some special prayer, that a person can say, that will get them into heaven.

    But on the other hand, to get saved, you have to ask the Lord for it; And in order to ask the Lord anything, requires prayer. Therefore, if a lost person, realizes that they are a sinner, and want to ask Jesus to save them, this would be “a sinners prayer”.

    The prayer that I mentioned in my post, was just a guide. To get saved, a person should ask Jesus to save them, from their heart, using their words.
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    As for your personal experiences, with people who are trusting some prayer for their salvation, instead of the substitutionary death of Christ, this is a shame. Because they are lost, and don’t know it.

    I believe that this is one of the results, of the “Church Growth movement”. Pastors, push their Church members, to be in some kind of a competition, in getting professions and baptisms, e.g. “My stringer of fish, is longer than yours”, etc.


    I hope this answered your question.
     
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    Hi Tom Butler

    Thanks for your input:

    As for why, I chose to use these words, in this prayer:
    No, I have never heard anybody use these words before, but they are similar to, the words that I used.

    Back in 1981, I was sitting in my pickup, eating lunch, and I heard the Gospel preached over my radio, and the preacher(Oliver B. Green), asked...If you believe that Jesus died for you, and want to get saved, bow your head and ask Him to save you.

    I did, and my life hasn’t been the same since!

    As for declaring, that if someone says a prayer, that they will be saved: You can do it, but it has to be done the right way........

    Like I said in this tract.

    See you later.
     
  8. Tom Butler

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    I find no scripture which mandates that we ask God for salvation. I find Peter, on the day of Pentecost, exhorting his listeners to repent. I find Peter telling his listeners in Acts 3:19, "repent, therefore, and be converted." I find Philip telling the Ethiopian Eunuch, who asked to be baptized, "if you believe with all your heart, you may." The eunuch's response, "I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God."

    I find Paul, in Acts 16, telling the jailer, "believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved."

    I find Paul, in Acts 17, telling the philosophers on Mars Hill "God...commands all men everywhere to repent." (v.30). The response to the command to repent? "...some believed..." (v. 34)

    I find Paul in Romans 10:9 saying "Confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God has raised him from the dead, and you will be saved."

    That said, I believe that a truly repentant sinner may indeed ask God for salvation and God will save him.

    But to make the flat statement that to be saved, a sinner must ask God for salvation, is not supported by scripture.

    I never prayed to God for salvation, nor did my father, but both of us simply answered "Yes" to the question, "Do you trust Christ for your salvation?"

    I have a dear relative whose conversion testimony is that one day God completely transformed his desires and his attitude toward God. Whereas he once read his Bible out of obligation he developed a thirst for the word of God. He suddenly desired to worship, to express his adoration to the Creator of the Universe; he suddenly desired to do that which was pleasing to Jesus as his Lord. He did not ask for it, did not desire it. It was a unilateral, sovereign act of God. That's not my conversion testimony, but it is his. He was truly changed, and is still so today, many years later.

    Would you have any doubts about the conversion experiences of us three, none of whom asked God to save them?

    My point: Let the scriptures guide our presentation of the gospel and our calling men and women to faith in Christ.
     
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    Hi Tom Butler

    I read every word of your response, and appreciate your comments.
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    You said......

    “I find no scripture which mandates that we ask God for salvation.”

    What about......
    Romans 10:13
    "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved."
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    As for if I doubt the salvation of anyone, simply because they didn’t ask the Lord to save them, No.

    And now that I think about, Romans 10:13, is the only Scripture, that I can think of, that gives us this mandate.


    Thank you for, getting me to think, outside the box.
     
  10. Tom Butler

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    stilllearning, I am aware of Romans 10:13. It is closely related to Romans 10:9, where Paul promises salvation to those who confess that Jesus is Lord and believe that he rose from the dead.

    I was careful to say that God will save a repentant sinner who asks him for mercy.

    I was basically responding to your flat statement

    What got my attention was the phrase "you HAVE TO ASK....." It is clear that Paul also exhorted sinners to repent, believe, confess. The eunuch did not ask, he simply stated that he believed.

    I recall reading a missionary's story, where he was preaching to a group of tribesmen in an African village. One of the listeners stood up in the middle of the message and said, "I've heard enough. I believe!" No asking, just believing and confessing that belief.

    The so-called Sinner's Prayer is vulnerable to corruption, when it is unwittingly reduced to some magic words, as, "say these words and your're saved." The danger is that many who do so (and I know some) whose claim to salvation is based on "I said the prayer." I know you do not intend it that way. I was taught the same way you were. The Roman Road, followed by "drawing the net."

    All I ask is that you let scripture dictate even the very words you use in soul-winning. We're dealing with eternal matters. here.
     
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    Hi Tom Butler


    You said.......
    I get your point Tom.

    When it comes to presenting the Gospel, it is important to get every word correct.



    Thank you
     
  12. Tom Butler

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    Good morning, stilllearning,

    I am quite super-sensitive about how we as believers present the gospel. During a mission trip to Romania 11 years ago, my conversations with a Romanian Baptist pastor and my observations of the way they did things over there, prompted a radical re-evaluation of everything we do and say in presenting the gospel.

    That re-evaluation drove me to the scriptures to seek support for what I had believed and practiced. I couldn't find scripture for a lot of it. Can you imagine the trauma of coming to the conclusion that what you had believed and practiced for years (at least the way I was taught) didn't quite measure up against the Bible?

    That's all I ask. I'm not looking for correct words so much as looking for precision of thought. Measure everything against scripture. That's why when I read in your post, "you have to ask," that's like waving a red flag in front of the bull.

    As you can see, I'm quite passionate about this. Some would call it an obsession.
     

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