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Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by USChurchPlanter, Oct 15, 2004.
Which local church Bible college best prepares men for pastoral ministry?
Why is Oral Roberts listed and not Maranatha BBC, Ambassador BBC, Pillsbury BBC, Northland BBC or International Baptist College?
I hasten to add IBC is a ministry of Tri-City Baptist Church, Tempe, AZ.
[ October 15, 2004, 02:02 PM: Message edited by: Squire Robertsson ]
They're not local church ministries, Squire.
Ahh, but IBC is. And who knows about ORU?
ORU was added a too see who would first notice, I recognize that it is not an independent Baptist school, just a little humor, by the way, Ambassador, although a good school is not a local church school, or are Pillsbury, Maranatha, etc... my understanding of international in Tempe is that is a good school, I did not have the oppurtunity to list all colleges, only the major local church ministries that train preachers.
For many of us out West IBC is counted as a "major local church ministry that trains preachers." The only difference between it and the other schools mentioned is that IBC was founded through the efforts of Pastor James Singleton late Pastor of TCBC. Unlike the other schools (to the best of my knowledge) mentioned Pastor Singleton operated and TCBC\IBC operate outside the Hyles sector of the Baptist galaxy.
I appreciate your post, I'm sure that IBC is a great place, however the implication that the other listed schools are in the "Hyles sector of the Baptist galaxy" is innacurate. With the exception of Golden State, Oklahoma, and of course, HAC, the listed schools are not Hyles affiliated (especcialy Liberty, come on)
Only know one pastor from any of the colleges listed. He is my Pastor, and is a graduate of HAC. If he is any indication of how HAC prepares men for pastoral ministry, then I have to cast my vote for HAC. Of course, the vote is based upon only this one man, and I know the stance many on this board have regarding HAC, but it is based simply upon my personal experience.
It's not the college or seminary who prepares the man but the man who is God's. The seminary can help to prepare a man for ministry but it cannot make a godless man godly if he chooses to remain godless. What God does only happens to a man who is poor in spirit.
I stand corrected on Liberty. I know I should have separated them out. As for the term "Hyles Sector of the Baptist galaxy", from what I have read on this board, the description is accurate. I don't think any of them could be placed in the MBBC\PBBC\NBBC sectors let alone the BJU, do you? So, while they (excpet of course HAC) are not directly affiliated with HAC, they are (and I am standing by to be corrected on this) in harmony with HAC. Whether this is good or bad is up to an individual to determine for onesself.
[ October 15, 2004, 11:08 PM: Message edited by: Squire Robertsson ]
What about Providence Baptist College?
FORGET H/A College!!!!!
I would not put Crown in with HAC. Sexton may be an empire builder, but does not seem to have the ego/error of Hyles.
That's why I used the word "sector" not "system" as in solar system. There's plenty of distance between solar systems and even more between galactic sectors.
Though TTU and Trinity in Jacksonville have a long history of associating with HAC, my impression is that TTU and Trinity are more academically respectable than HAC and headed away from some of the HAC extremism. HAC seems to be pretty isolated...and that's a good thing!
Trinity and TTU are both accademically accreditted, something HAC is not. Hyles had a conviction against accreditation, feeling it was violating local church atonamy to require approval from an outside source.
None of the above in my book. Mega-church colleges are often woefully limited in scope and program. I've not been impressed on the overall product, although some individuals survive.
I would have to say that I would not support a college that is under that authority of one local church. Why? Because I was in two of them. They both had far too many problems, pastors who were there one day, gone another, and then they both went defunct within 20 years of their founding dates. They had the ideologies of the church that they were "under", and believe me, some of their beliefs and tactics towards their students were not good. Though my sister went to Trinity and my brother went to TTU, I would recommend a college like MBBC, Northland, or Pillsbury. There are several churches, a board, and far fewer problems.
Just a question here. I am wondering how many Bible colleges and seminaries stated out as church Bible colleges or seminaries?
Well, I've never been to a college. I might be in the wrong forum. All I know is 2. Tim 2:2 "And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to faithful men, who will be able to teach others also." That sounds like local church responsibility. Are we serving the Lord or are we pursuing religious careers? Do we live a Christian life or a Greek life? Do you learn at you local church or at your college fraternity? All I know is that some of the big seminaries produce preachers on assembly lines like baloney sausage. They are topheavy - heads full of knowledge, but no heart in it. I've observed that before.