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Local Muslim leader met privately with Obama

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by Revmitchell, May 17, 2008.

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  1. LeBuick

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    Because it's scary for the nation when Obama does it.

    It's good politics when Bush does it... :thumbs:
     
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    How do we apply Christ's teaching on how we treat our enemies to our dealings with Hammas?
     
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    Unlike a couple others Roger I believe you tend to think things through. On this issue you seem to miss the obvious. There is a vast difference between the Presidents meeting with him and Obama. Obama has past ties to being a moslem. This incident is not isolated. As has been posted many "dots" have been presented.

    The President doesnt have the history Obama has to include the past ties and the birth name. He doesnt have a moslem parent nor has he been to moslem schools etc.

    You may think it helps him. But I and many others have seen no evidence of this to be sure.
     
  4. NaasPreacher (C4K)

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    But surely Rev, if it is wrong for one it is wrong for the other. If you would agree that it is wrong for President Bush as well as Senator Obama then I would have an easier time acknowledging your point of view on this.
     
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  5. Crabtownboy

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    Questions?

    1. Is it fair to judge any candidate by his father?
    2. Is it a sin to be a Moslem in the US?
    3. Isn't calling him Moslem because he went to a school in Indonesia like calling someone a Christian because they went to a public school in Americs?
    4. Is it better to talk with an enemy or to refuse to talk to that enemy?
    5. If you were born of parents from another country isn't it reasonable that you might have a name common in that country, but not in the US?
    6. Obama's mother is Christian, does that not count for something?
    7. Obama said, "Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. Does that mean nothing?
    8. Obams spent two years at a Moslem school and two years at a Catholic school. Why is the Catholic school never mentioned?
     
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    Revmitchell and company will not respond to this, it is easier for them to smear Obama rather than face the truth and be honest.
     
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    Just my personal opinion, but,,,
    1. Is it fair to judge any candidate by his father?
    If it has any bareing on who he is and what he might believe.

    2.Is it a sin to be a Moslem in the US?

    It is a sin to be a muslim anywhere

    3. Isn't calling him Moslem because he went to a school in Indonesia like calling someone a Christian because they went to a public school in Americs?

    I don't know, has the person who went to school in america claimed to be a christian? Obama claimed to be muslim back then.

    4. Is it better to talk with an enemy or to refuse to talk to that enemy?

    It depends, does he want to blow you up? These enemies mean harm to americans, to christians.

    5.If you were born of parents from another country isn't it reasonable that you might have a name common in that country, but not in the US?

    Reasonable. But I don't object to his name either.


    6.Obama's mother is Christian, does that not count for something?

    I haven't read this, is there a link to that?


    7. Obama said, "Let's make clear what the facts are: I am a Christian. I have been sworn in with a Bible. Does that mean nothing?

    Jesus said many would come to Him calling Him Lord Lord, but He will say depart from Me I never knew you,,,,
    He belongs to a church that preaches the glories of africa, not God.

    8.Obams spent two years at a Moslem school and two years at a Catholic school. Why is the Catholic school never mentioned?

    Could be because he never claimed to be catholic. But He did claim to be muslim.
     
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    1. 3. Isn't calling him Moslem because he went to a school in Indonesia like calling someone a Christian because they went to a public school in Americs? [/quote]

      I should have phrased that better, is it illegal?

      My understanding is that it was an Indonesian public school and of course in Indonesia there would be Moselms in the school, just as there are Christians in American public schools. I was making the point that it is no more fair to call him a Moslem because he went to a public school there than to call a person a Christian because they go to a public school here.

      4. Is it better to talk with an enemy or to refuse to talk to that enemy?

      Isn't it still better to talk than to remain silent and refuse to at least talk? How are we commanded to treat our enemies by Christ?


      Below is part of an article from:
      http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:jn59xrcds4UJ:firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/22/531492.aspx+obama%27s+mother+christian&hl=cs&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=cz

      "My father was from Kenya,” he said, “and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn’t practice Islam. Truth is he wasn’t very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I’ve always been a Christian. The only connection I’ve had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from that country. But I’ve never practiced Islam."

      But the woman who asked the question still wasn't satisfied. She asked Obama to "define what a Christian is."

      "Somebody who believes in Jesus Christ as our lord and savior," the senator responded.
     
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    This is clearly false. Senator Obama has never, ever been a Muslim. Christians should not bear false witness about this.
     
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    You are correct. Anyone who says that Senator Obama ever claimed to be a Muslim is bearing false witness.
     
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    Below is part of an article from:
    http://64.233.183.104/search?q=cache:jn59xrcds4UJ:firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2007/12/22/531492.aspx+obama%27s+mother+christian&hl=cs&ct=clnk&cd=10&gl=cz

    "My father was from Kenya,” he said, “and a lot of people in his village were Muslim. He didn’t practice Islam. Truth is he wasn’t very religious. He met my mother. My mother was a Christian from Kansas, and they married and then divorced. I was raised by my mother. So, I’ve always been a Christian. The only connection I’ve had to Islam is that my grandfather on my father’s side came from that country. But I’ve never practiced Islam."

    But the woman who asked the question still wasn't satisfied. She asked Obama to "define what a Christian is."

    "Somebody who believes in Jesus Christ as our lord and savior," the senator responded.

    I do not believe that G. Bush could have given a better definition of Christian. [My comment]
     
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    Evidence??? With all the rumors around here you still need evidence? :BangHead:
     
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    The proof presented in other posts shows he has been a muslim during childhood. It is not bearing false witness to present the facts. BB members with legitimate concerns about Obama do not deserve for you to call them liars (false witness, liars, same thing).


    Moderator Note: Some comments have been deleted. Unless this topic can be discussed without name calling or condescending attitudes or calling other members liars and bearers of false witness towards those who don't support Obama, this thread will be closed without warning.
     
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    Can you provide us with links that "prove" he was Moslem? I would appreciat it.
     
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    I would appreciate that as well. A lot is being said here about him being Muslim, but I have yet to see proof, or even evidence. On the basis of the OP here President Bush is as much Muslim as Senator Obama.

    Why is it is acceptable to make unsubstantiated claims against this man? You keep saying those who oppose this style attack on Obama support him. Nothing could be farther form the truth. Many here have CLEARLY stated that the strongly oppose Senator Obama as President, but do not agree with unsubstantiated charges being leveled against him. I for one strongly oppose Sen Obama's as President, but also strongly dislike a style of attack that involves presenting charges that have not been proven.

    Is it totally honest to accuse them of supporting Obama?


    As to this thread, Senator Obama and President Bush have both met with the same Mulsim leader, that does not make either of them a Muslim or a supporter of Islam. On the other hand, if it makes one guilty it makes both guilty.
     
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    Okay, here is what Obama himself has said:

    http://frontpagemagazine.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=1F297C14-C64D-41B1-AEBB-E0325C823CD8

    http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5354

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Ryter/jon212.htm

    http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/01/obama-islam-and.html

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/01/obamas_nation_o.html
     
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    Agreed. As I have pointed out on many threads in times past, Bush has been the strongest supporter of islam of any American President we have ever had. Starting with Grover Norquist, his close friend and advisor:

    http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/04/is-grover-norquist-an-islamist.html


    http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/06/20070627-2.html
     
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    No. No it doesn't. And this is obviously clear.
     
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    What is clear?
     
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    Okay, Pres Bush, who after 9/11 praised the Islam religion and her people as a people of peace can meet with a Muslim leader and it is fine, but Senator Obama cannot?
     
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