Lollipop/Candycane public appearance

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  1. Salamander

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    but vicious,ruthless, and even meanspirited behind the scenes.

    Know anyone in a leadership position like this?

    Are they truly qualified to hold a leadership position?
     
  2. Salamander

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    I see true fundamentalists have no comment, or there aren't any other ones here.
     
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    Sounds like hypocrites to me...
     
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    And if that is the case, how does one go about exposing them and bring them into accountability?
     
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    A. Not of my personal aquaintence, but I have dobts they're out there.
    B. No.
     
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    This a "When did you stop beating your wife?" kind of question. In the Providence of God, many here move in more ethical circles.
     
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    Would this apply?

    1 Timothy 5:1 Against an elder receive not an accusation, but before two or three witnesses.
    20 Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.
    21 I charge thee before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, and the elect angels, that thou observe these things without preferring one before another, doing nothing by partiality.
     
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    Am I now to assume these to be more spiritual than what I know to be the case. It sure took what I asked to get a response. How does that fit into the Providence of God or these ethics you're claiming?

    Your statement seems to be one of arrogance, IMHO.
     
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    I do not personally know any leaders that I would classify as "vicious" or "ruthless."
     
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    It means that in the Providence of God, the men you describe are for the most part not members of the group with which I fellowship. Those you describe don't last long in the FBFI. That's not arrogance . It's acknowledgeing that my situation is only due to God's hand.

    IMHO, you are working from a false assumption. As I read your posts, you assume other more distantly related groupings have the same leadership problems yours has.
     
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    I don't know any either, well, not that they are always vicious or ruthless. It's they have been in a couple of situations.

    I know anyone can be that way at times.
     
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    I would have to agree that it is God's hand of Providence that inspires us to make ceretain we are in accord with His Divine Will.

    Many who have yet to attain to that spiritual level you describe might look at your level as one of arrogance.

    I can only hope your assessment doesn't cloud your eyes with suspicions to my being at fault. I am only describing certain experiences to also help others know how to deal with the negativity of these men.

    Again, your statement has a certain amount of arrogance to it.

    You seem to group me up with those other groups of which you seem to make that accusation against as being distanced by your fellowship.

    I do not fault you for that position, so please be careful not to fault others for being more human.

    I am tired of the plastic coatings of men in leadership positions. It is become a political endeavour in many cases to win peoples confidence, yet lacking true dedication to the calling to be a servent.

    I am as true to my calling as I know to be true.

    I endeavour to be compassionate/ posessing a zeal according to knowledge, not passionate, which can be best described as having zeal, yet not according to knowledge.

    I have admired men of God for their accomplishments, yet I have seen them attack other men of God failing to see they just believed a little different.

    I have seen congregations split over men due to that very difference, which makes it indifference rather than simple difference. Complications have risen to the detriment of peoples lives and their continuing to walk with God.

    I am certainly displeased and sure of the grieving of God over this mess.

    I would only hope the Brother of High degree to be less like the Prodigal's brother who "never transgressed" his father's commands and faulted his brother for falling into the mire, yet in a possibly deeper mire himself.

    I am looking for those sympathetic to the need, not critics who have elevated themselves to some plateau of their own making.:godisgood:
     
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    BTW, I have stopped beating my wife. She gets the potty first if she gets up before I do.:sleeping_2:
     
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    Salamander, the proper response to my statement
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    I can only speak in defense about my circle of fellowship with any sense of authority. I have no personal knowledge of other groupings. If that's arrogance, so be it.

    I did preface my remarks with I My Humble Opinion.
     
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    Wonderful. I just hope your grouping is not one of the isolationist type.

    We are very outgoing in our ministry and fellowship is somewhat limited, but not that we are so limited as to isolate. Rather sometimes our fellowships are less separated than my liking, I do make allowances for the human side which is subject to human behaviour patterns.

    In this situation at hand, it seems there is forming a hierarchy of sorts which can do no wrong. It has even reached the level that some feel only they are accountable to God and not anyone else or even the church.

    I feel it is best for all who are concerned about this is to realize the downside and simply move on in their walk as to not get bogged down in personalities and egos.

    I know many who do not attend church anymore due to this very subject. It is an outright shame!
     
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    We're not isolationists per se. However, the FBFI has its roots in the Nothern Baptist movement. It is fairly decentralized after being burned over the years by denominational structures. Suffice to say, at the moment the fellowship has dodged the bullet.
     
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    Sad to say I have known a few like this. I would have never thought them to be that way after several years of knowing or serving under them and then watched in horror and amazement at their reaction when someone stepped on just the right toe. (disciplining a Grandchild, words with their wife, questioning a decision...)

    I think it is safe to say that all Pastors are human. At one time or another in their ministry they will react in the flesh. But to see one react in this way at one time or another, I don't think would be to clasify them as "vicious" or "ruthless"

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    Maybe you just haven't stepped on he right toe yet? Or the Pastors in your "fellowship" wear steal toed shoes. :eek:)
     
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    I think what happened in the FBFI is we never had any "prima donnas" as Dr. Dollar called a chapter in his book. The FBF's board is self perpetuating which makes demagoging for votes difficult if not impossible. That's not to say the fellowship has had its share of strong personalities. The Wenigar brothers, B.M. Cedarholm, R.V. Clearwaters, and others come to mind. However, they tended to balance off each other. So, the fellowship never split into camps centered on each of them.

    The closest the fellowship came to spliting was the Cedarholm\Clearwaters split. The two men were not vocal about their differences. It only showed because Pillsbury never played Maranatha in athletics until the mid-80s.
     
  19. Salamander

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    Thank you, Squire for sharing this.

    I have been greatly grieved to see men of God who I have come to highly respect resort to most of what you outlined.

    I have openly rebuked one of the men and several others who got involved in a certain mess between "opposing camps", now.

    I like what a good friend of mine said to the "other" man, "I am an evangelist and don't have time for your petty arguements".

    I probably have lost some aquaintences for my actions, but that doesn't say much. I need friends in this minstry, not aquaintences.
     

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