Looking for pastorate.

Are you trying to convince us of all of this, or you?

Based on what you know and are looking for, you really shouldn't care at all what we think, since we're all just strangers.

 

If you're trolling, you really aren't doing that great of a job.

I've posted on sites that have trolls. You just come off a little condescending.

But it's no sweat off my back.

 

I hear the faint sounds of Frank Sinatra in the background singing, "I did it my way..."

 

You should allow the search committees of the churches for which you interview to see this thread (all of your posts, I mean). It will help them make a wise decision.

 

If you do say so yourself. And... you do.

 

To be fair, you came to a baptist website...to a certain extent, what did you expect?

 

Why not? It is as interesting as many of the threads started here. Besides, if you don't like this thread, ignore it.

 

You will find that many of the so-called God-loving Christians here don't show much compassion to their brothers-in-Christ. I don't know if this is common among Christian sites. This is the only one I frequent. It is, unfortunately, the first thing non-Christians will notice if they stop here to take a look.

 

You Have a Good Point...

...this is the only forum where I've encountered what I call cyber bullying. It is of course being done by the name of "debating!" However, it is still bullying, and it lacks Christian compassion. I am often pushed to the point of getting totally upset with the rude, passive-aggressive ways by some who make providing an opinion or view worse than having a tooth pulled. :smilewinkgrin:

If you come up with an anser, please feel free to implement it, as it would make this forum a fun place to post ones thoughts and views.

This, "I must win as any cost" is scary, and it makes for bad public relations to those who stop by and see all the in-fighting. :thumbsup:

 

It's one reason I lurk more in some forums and post more in others.

 

Try here,
http://militarygetsaved.tripod.com/workers.html

 

I have just been a bystander in this thread not taking a side, but this sentence here is so ironic it isn't funny. You may not have meant it that way. Maybe you meant "I'm sorry I came off that way." Either way, congrats on your hard work and finishing seminary and I hope the Lord guides you to the right congregation.

I think if we could all see you in person we would probably hear a person with a lot of zeal and passion for people that has had a few bad experiences along the way. Sometimes message boards just do not translate the meaning of posts real well.

As far as the staunch Calvinist thing, I spoke with one of our ministers in training yesterday and he also stated that some hardcore Calvinists have an arrogant attitude. I myself am not one nor the other. Used to be hardcore Arminian, but a Calvinist didn't win me over, just pointed out the flaws of both philosophies. I just try to leave this subject as one of those mysteries that we'll never know for sure, but witness to the world like salvation is for everyone.

 

Here is what I have gotten so far from you.

1) You are arrogant - you determine to demean Calvinistic thinkers and yet want to hold your own self appointed view as righteous, exalted, and the one and only scriptural truth. That is not only arrogant but ignorant.

2) You are deluded into thinking that distributing some form of an intoxicant to minors and those who have addictive tendency is acceptable and the only accepted form of communion. That in itself places you in not only ignorance of scripture but of the human condition as well.

3) You are self serving - you want to be offered a place "closer to family" which reveals that you have not forsaken all to follow Christ. You determine by the rational approach that which is only determined by Scriptural/Spiritual leading. You do not take literally, "Lean not to your own understanding..."

4) You are puffed up and have not truly learned humility at the feet of the Savior. You boast that you sat under the instruction of professors and learned what ... that they were ... and you claim they taught you ...?

5) You want to hold to the KJV - which is fine - but, by labeling it as you did and placing it as ascendant above all others, puts all textual scholarship as almost sinful without you coming right out and admitting you hold that very thinking.​

I ask you a question, "Would you recommend such a person to the pastorate of your church?"

Of course, I could be wrong. After all, it is definitely difficult to discern from a single thread the person who is on the other side of the screen.

If I am wrong, then go back to your original statements and look for where I may have taken your words to mean less than you posted.

 

Calvinistic thinking does not dispute that God is sovereign, nor do they generally dispute that God gives man the freedom to accept of reject Him. However, The Scriptures in no place state that (after Eden) man has a "free will." In fact, the Scriptures indicate that is NOT the state of the unregenerate man nor is it the state of the regenerate man. That a choice can be or even is made does not equate to freedom of will. This "self willed" thinking is a common error that has no Scriptural foundation.

First, There is an assumption that you consider what I stated as claiming addiction is a disease and not a sin. Both may certainly be valid. A sin filled life can lead to a disease and a disease can lead one to sin. The Bible is not just understood for doctrine, but in all matters of faith and practice. As such, a good pastor is going to be discerning as to any area of need and helps. There are those to whom the addictive behavior patterns are part of their physiological and psychological makeup. Children who have had the genetic makeup of ADHD passed from their fathers (for the mother does not pass that disposition only the father) have an extremely high rate of addictive tendencies. Sin and disease are not usually separated either in Scriptures or in modern life.

Second, it is certainly biblical for substances to be considered evil in themselves. The Scriptures teach that even the rocks have a certain sentience to cry out to God in praise and grown in their current condemnation. Is it no less true that the Scriptures state that "wine IS a mocker?" The mocking of the intoxicant is no less Scriptural than the rocks and heavens in the ability to declare what they serve and praise.

Third, I have no problem with Scriptures, and if the use of them is offensive to a person, that is a fault to them, not to the Spirit.

Then you should have stated your thinking at the beginning in those terms. Rather than leaving the reader to assume you would place family and friendship over the leading of the Holy Spirit and devotion to His calling. I suggest that the next time you use the example of Paul, who stated what he preferred but followed it immediately with what God desired.

"...plain teaching of scripture..." really????

OK, lets examine your view. You state that Christ died for the sins of the whole world, and that by implication condemn "those professors who (I don't agree).... I reject." Could it be that you are the one wrong? Could it be that you are disobedient to the "plain teaching of Scriptures." It would be merely an application of your own standard to yourself.

Here is the problem with your statement.

You admit that there are those who "dig ... to uncover..." and in place of those manuscripts you embrace traditions and teachings held for almost two thousand years. Mind you that nearly a 1000 of those years greek orthodox and roman papists ruled.

Is it not a cheerful situation that God has put it into the hearts of scholarly men to search and disclose the ancient manuscripts. That the validity and stamina of the truth be revealed from generation to generation.

If the translators of the KJB could have had access to further resources, do you not consider they would have diligently sought them out and investigated them?

I am not opposed to the KJV, in fact I do prefer it. But, neither am I in condition to reject the earnest and veracious work of men who have a heart in searching out the ancient writings.

That is just as the KJB translators did.