Loss of your rights

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  1. Berean

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    My wife and I had dinner this evening with my son and his family and after dinner he and I entered into a discussion of current events and happenings around the world and at home here in the USA and I made a statement about "losing my rights". My son challenged me with a question to which I had no answer. The question; "Dad name one right you have lost"? I had no answer. Can any of you brothers name any you have lost?
     
  2. InTheLight

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    I presume you mean Constitutional rights and not just activities? If so, it's not easy to name them.

    The right to privacy when making a phone call to a foreign country.
     
  3. Don

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    "Lost"? Consider right to privacy, 4th Amendment. Traffic cameras, NSA phone listening, gunshot microphones, FBI and other agency insistence on "back door" capability to monitor emails, and more. While not completely "lost," definitely eroded.
     
  4. Aaron

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    The founding fathers said that rights are "inalienable." Could it be you're speaking of about losing some of the protections, and he's speaking of the nature of rights?

    But here's a biggie. Under the specious mask of civil rights, you no longer have the freedom of association and contract.
     
  5. matt wade

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    Sounds like your son is a smart guy and doesn't buy into the typical right wing hype that we are losing all our rights and we'll soon be a Muslim nation. Good for him :).
     
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  6. Salty

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    I'm sure you have heard of the story of how to cook a frog - you dont put him into hot water - you put him into cold water and slowly warm it up. That way the frog gets used to it.


    Matt Wade, Let me ask you these questions:
    1. Should the govt make people wear seat belts in their car?
    2. Should the govt prohibit alcohol to those age 18-20?
    3. Should the govt prohibit a student from praying at a school event?
    4. Should the govt prohibit smoking in your private office in a building
    5. Should the govt REQUIRE a business to have handicap parking spaces?
     
  7. InTheLight

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    These are not rights. These are regulated activities.

    But as long as we're playing:

    6. Should the government require you to have a photo ID to vote?
    7. Should the government require employers to check with a national database before hiring someone?
    8. Should the government prohibit people of the same sex from getting married?
     
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  8. Salty

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    Where does the Constitution allow the govt to regulate these activities?

    Yes, because it keeps the integrity of the electrical process of the country. (and keep in mind - there is no "right to vote" only that certain classes can not be prohibited from voting)

    Yes, - to maintain employment opportunities for Americians
    (and keep in mind - there is no right to have a job)

    Yes, to maintain the integrity of moral values. (remember - there is no "right" to marry in the US)


    Now, that I have answered your questions - how about answering mine.
     
  9. matt wade

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    Hypocrisy runs rampant.
     
  10. Salty

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    I guess so - you want me to answer your questions, but you REFUSE to answer my questions
     
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    I have the right to bear arms, but I don't appreciate seeing the abundance of skin shown by men or ladies who think they are body beautiful.

    I have the right to vote, but I don't appreciate standing next to someone who can't show any identification, has no information to document if they are a resident of the neighborhood, or to show that person has already voted at least twice that day.

    I have the right to speak, but I don't appreciate having to hear some who would shout about justice and peace while they shoot, loot, and burn.

    I have the right to worship, but I don't appreciate the government dictating that I can't worship at buildings and ground that my tax dollars paid for.

    I have the right to pursue happiness, but I don't appreciate some "officer of the law" telling me I am driving too fast. At my age, I have limited time left to get things done, and besides not every convenience store has a clean bathroom.
     
  12. matt wade

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    What questions have I posed to you?
     
  13. InTheLight

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    #1 and #2 would fall under the Commerce Clause.

    #3 would fall under the First Amendment

    #4, I'm not aware that the government is doing the prohibition of smoking, I believe it is the business owner that is doing it. Government can regulate smoking in public places.

    #5 I'm not aware that the government requires ALL businesses to have handicapped parking spots but only those that deal with the public (i.e. retail companies). Anyway, this would be covered under the equal protection clause of the 14th amendment.
     
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    As far as number 4 goes there are several states Colorado being one that have outlawed smoking in all buildings open to the public.
    Now that is allowed under the 10th amendment and it did go to a vote to the people in Colorado but I felt it set up a dangerous precedent. We already have seen other government agencies try to outlaw other habits such as the size of sodas in NYC.
     
  15. Salty

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    NY State requires any parking lot with 20 or more parking spaces to reserve at least 5% for handicap.

    That has nothing to do with the 14th amendment.
     
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    I suggest you look up the phrase "equal protection under the law".
     
  17. Salty

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    Equal protection would mean "first come, first serve"


    Now, lets suppose there are 2 handicap parking spots -
    but there are three cars with handicap placecards - which two get the handicap parking spots?
     
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    One right I do not have right now is the right not to buy health insurance if I do not want to.

    I use to have that option, I no longer do. If I don't I will be taxed and the "penalty" will go up every year I do not comply.

    Some might argue "You have to buy car insurance," but the truth is...I still have the right not to drive if I so choose, so driving being regulated is not a matter of personal choice, but a privilege.


    God bless.
     
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    The right to express faith is being challenged today as well. Government intrusion into a personal right to observe one's faith has been highlighted frequently recently.

    Can anyone tell me where it is one's right that a business cater to them, or even serve them? Use to be signs that said "We reserve the right to refuse service," and that right may become a thing of the past.

    The only reason one would ignore this challenge to rights we have would be because it is not relevant to their own lives. But speak to business owners and see if it is relevant to them.


    God bless.
     
  20. BrandonA

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    The right to privacy has been challenged by world events, yes, but that's about all you can think of.

    We are indeed a long way from losing any real rights, despite the infringement of liberal and worldly agendas. The church hasn't even had its tax-exempt status threatened yet; and HCSM's were given an exemption in ObamaCare. People are struggling to stop their ears, but rights for faithful people in this country are still unparalleled on our planet.
     

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