Lost Sheep of Israel

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    Matthew 10:
    5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: “Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[The Greek word traditionally translated leprosy was used for various diseases affecting the skin.] drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give.

    9 “Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts — 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep. 11 Whatever town or village you enter, search there for some worthy person and stay at their house until you leave. 12 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.

    16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves. 17 Be on your guard; you will be handed over to the local councils and be flogged in the synagogues. 18 On my account you will be brought before governors and kings as witnesses to them and to the Gentiles. 19 But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, 20 for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

    21 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will rebel against their parents and have them put to death. 22 You will be hated by everyone because of me, but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 23 When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. Truly I tell you, you will not finish going through the towns of Israel before the Son of Man comes.

    Matthew 15:
    23 Jesus did not answer a word. So his disciples came to him and urged him, “Send her away, for she keeps crying out after us.”

    24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.

    25 The woman came and knelt before him. “Lord, help me!” she said.

    26 He replied, “It is not right to take the children’s bread and toss it to the dogs.”

    27 “Yes it is, Lord,” she said. “Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master’s table.”

    28 Then Jesus said to her, “Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted.” And her daughter was healed at that moment.



    Who is the Lost sheep of Israel?

    Is it Gentiles who really don't know they are the lost sheep of Israel?

    Is it simple an Israelite that will be found by Jesus?

    Could an Israelite who refuses to believe they are lost be found?
     
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    Is the parable of the prodigal son about the animosity of the house of Judah toward the house of Israel. Remember the house of Israel had been given a bill of divorce by God. Jesus of the tribe of Judah came unto his own and his own received him not. The house of Judah consisted of Judah, Levi and Benjamin. The house of Israel the other ten tribes. Ten because Joseph had become two tribes and of one only of those was this said; "but truly his younger brother shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become a multitude of nations." That in bold is fulness of Gentiles. Ephraim was going to be the fulness of the gentiles. Now to Hosea: 7:8 Ephraim, he hath mixed himself among the people; Ephraim is a cake not turned. 8:8,9 Israel is swallowed up: now shall they be among the Gentiles as a vessel wherein no pleasure. For they are gone up to Assyria, a wild ass alone by himself: Ephraim hath hired lovers. My God will cast them away, because they did not hearken unto him: and they shall be wanderers among the nations. (That is why the circumcision made with hands called them Uncircumcision, akrobystia, literally foreskins, that which is cast away Gentiles in the flesh.)
    Deut 32:26 I said, I would scatter them into corners, I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men: (That could never be said of the house of Judah the Jews for from the beginning even though they were scattered where ever they were they were known as Jews. How? Because of their customs and religion esp. the seventh day sabbath.) Why were they lost and no remembrance of them? When Judah seceded from Israel the very first thing Jeroboam did was change the annual sabbath of the seventh month to the eighth month and there is evidence all were changed along with the weekly sabbath. See Hosea 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease, her feast days, her new moons, and her sabbaths, and all her solemn feasts. These were in contrast to the LORD'S sabbaths of Lev. 23.
    Ex 31:16,17 Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath throughout their generations, a perpetual covenant. It [is] a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for [in] six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.
    Why were they the lost sheep of the house of Israel.



    IMHO : Rom 11:25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    Acts 15:14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

    Rom 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded



    Concerning this question of yours. "Could an Israelite who refuses to believe they are lost be found?"

    Rom 11:20,21 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, [take heed] lest he also spare not thee.

    I want to say something about unbelief and also faith.
    Paul 1 Tim 1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but I obtained mercy, because I did ignorantly in unbelief.
    What was Paul enroute to do the very day God through Jesus called Paul?
    Was he at that in unbelief? Why did Paul instantly go from unbelief to belief?
    John 10:27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me: After three days of remaining blind Jesus then began to teach him.
    He obtained mercy. How? Above in verse 21 it says something about standing by faith. The faith they stand by is the same faith by which Paul obtained mercy and it was the faith of Christ. Rom 3:25 YLT whom God did set forth a mercy seat, through the faith in his blood, God the Father did not set Jesus forth a mercy seat after someone had faith, it was the obedience of faith of Jesus unto dying on the cross that God made Jesus the mercy seat. By grace through the faith. Through the faith unto death he became the mercy seat and by the grace the Father raised him from the dead.

    What does Titus 3:5 say;
    According to mercy he saved us. What mercy? Jesus being set forth a mercy seat through the faith in his blood, Jesus dying. Them what Grace by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.

    The Holy Spirit is then shed on the sheep who had been lost.
     
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    Sheep are sheep and people are people. Sheep is a hyperbole and their attitude towards Jesus. If you want to use hyperbole then I wouldn't be a sheep, but a dog who begged at the masters table who He included with His own when I heard the Gospel of my salvation having believed. His sheep is talking about an attitude toward Jesus, not what I am physically, but my attitude.

    Here is His sheep.

    John 6:45
    It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God.’ Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me...
    53 Jesus said to them, “Very truly I tell you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise them up at the last day. 55 For my flesh is real food and my blood is real drink. 56 Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me, and I in them. 57 Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me. 58 This is the bread that came down from heaven. Your ancestors ate manna and died, but whoever feeds on this bread will live forever.”

    Why has He blinded them, it is because of this.

    Luke 10:21
    At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

    Proverbs 3 :
    5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart
    and lean not on your own understanding;
    6 in all your ways submit to him,
    and he will make your paths straight.[Or will direct your paths]

    7 Do not be wise in your own eyes;
    fear the Lord and shun evil.

    Matthew 23:
    29 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You build tombs for the prophets and decorate the graves of the righteous. 30 And you say, ‘If we had lived in the days of our ancestors, we would not have taken part with them in shedding the blood of the prophets.’ 31 So you testify against yourselves that you are the descendants of those who murdered the prophets. 32 Go ahead, then, and complete what your ancestors started!

    33 “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34 Therefore I am sending you prophets and sages and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35 And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36 Truly I tell you, all this will come on this generation.

    37 “Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were not willing. 38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’[Psalm 118:26]”

    1 Thessalonians 2 :
    13 And we also thank God continually because, when you received the word of God, which you heard from us, you accepted it not as a human word, but as it actually is, the word of God, which is indeed at work in you who believe. 14 For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews 15 who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone 16 in their effort to keep us from speaking to the Gentiles so that they may be saved. In this way they always heap up their sins to the limit. The wrath of God has come upon them at last.[Or them fully]

    Praise be to God there is hope for them

    2 Corinthians 3:
    13 We are not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from seeing the end of what was passing away. 14 But their minds were made dull, for to this day the same veil remains when the old covenant is read. It has not been removed, because only in Christ is it taken away. 15 Even to this day when Moses is read, a veil covers their hearts. 16 But whenever anyone turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away.
     
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    ***deep breath***(breath of fresh air post)

    Another wonderful post Brother!! :thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
     
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    1 And the word of Jehovah came unto me, saying,
    2 Son of man, prophesy against the shepherds of Israel, prophesy, and say unto them, even to the shepherds, Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Woe unto the shepherds of Israel that do feed themselves! should not the shepherds feed the sheep?
    3 Ye eat the fat, and ye clothe you with the wool, ye kill the fatlings; but ye feed not the sheep.
    4 The diseased have ye not strengthened, neither have ye healed that which was sick, neither have ye bound up that which was broken, neither have ye brought back that which was driven away, neither have ye sought that which was lost; but with force and with rigor have ye ruled over them.
    5 And they were scattered, because there was no shepherd; and they became food to all the beasts of the field, and were scattered.
    6 My sheep wandered through all the mountains, and upon every high hill: yea, my sheep were scattered upon all the face of the earth; and there was none that did search or seek after them.
    7 Therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of Jehovah:
    8 As I live, saith the Lord Jehovah, surely forasmuch as my sheep became a prey, and my sheep became food to all the beasts of the field, because there was no shepherd, neither did my shepherds search for my sheep, but the shepherds fed themselves, and fed not my sheep;
    9 therefore, ye shepherds, hear the word of Jehovah:
    10 Thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I am against the shepherds; and I will require my sheep at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the sheep; neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; and I will deliver my sheep from their mouth, that they may not be food for them.
    11 For thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I myself, even I, will search for my sheep, and will seek them out.
    12 As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered abroad, so will I seek out my sheep; and I will deliver them out of all places whither they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
    13 And I will bring them out from the peoples, and gather them from the countries, and will bring them into their own land; and I will feed them upon the mountains of Israel, by the watercourses, and in all the inhabited places of the country.
    14 I will feed them with good pasture; and upon the mountains of the height of Israel shall their fold be: there shall they lie down in a good fold; and on fat pasture shall they feed upon the mountains of Israel.
    15 I myself will be the shepherd of my sheep, and I will cause them to lie down, saith the Lord Jehovah.
    16 I will seek that which was lost, and will bring back that which was driven away, and will bind up that which was broken, and will strengthen that which was sick: but the fat and the strong I will destroy; I will feed them in justice.
    17 And as for you, O my flock, thus saith the Lord Jehovah: Behold, I judge between sheep and sheep, the rams and the he-goats.
    18 Seemeth it a small thing unto you to have fed upon the good pasture, but ye must tread down with your feet the residue of your pasture? and to have drunk of the clear waters, but ye must foul the residue with your feet?
    19 And as for my sheep, they eat that which ye have trodden with your feet, and they drink that which ye have fouled with your feet.
    20 Therefore thus saith the Lord Jehovah unto them: Behold, I, even I, will judge between the fat sheep and the lean sheep.
    21 Because ye thrust with side and with shoulder, and push all the diseased with your horns, till ye have scattered them abroad;
    22 therefore will I save my flock, and they shall no more be a prey; and I will judge between sheep and sheep.
    23 And I will set up one shepherd over them, and he shall feed them, even my servant David; he shall feed them, and he shall be their shepherd.
    24 And I, Jehovah, will be their God, and my servant David prince among them; I, Jehovah, have spoken it. Ezek 34

    11 I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd layeth down his life for the sheep.
    12 He that is a hireling, and not a shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, beholdeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth, and the wolf snatcheth them, and scattereth them:
    13 he fleeth because he is a hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
    14 I am the good shepherd; and I know mine own, and mine own know me,
    15 even as the Father knoweth me, and I know the Father; and I lay down my life for the sheep.
    16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice: and they shall become one flock, one shepherd. Jn 10

    29 Brethren, I may say unto you freely of the patriarch David, that he both died and was buried, and his tomb is with us unto this day.
    30 Being therefore a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins he would set one upon his throne;
    31 he foreseeing this spake of the resurrection of the Christ, that neither was he left unto Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption.
    32 This Jesus did God raise up, whereof we all are witnesses. Acts 2

    14 Symeon hath rehearsed how first God visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.
    15 And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written,
    16 After these things I will return, And I will build again the tabernacle of David, which is fallen; And I will build again the ruins thereof, And I will set it up:
    17 That the residue of men may seek after the Lord, And all the Gentiles, upon whom my name is called,
    18 Saith the Lord, who maketh these things known from of old. Acts 15
     
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    Amen Brother I might add between the passage from John 10 Acts 2 would have been a good spot for;

    Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and [for] all the house of Israel his companions: And join them one to another into one stick; and they shall become one in thine hand. And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee, saying, Wilt thou not shew us what thou [meanest] by these? Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which [is] in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, [even] with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand. And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes. And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land: And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel; and one king shall be king to them all: and they shall be no more two nations, neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all: Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols, nor with their detestable things, nor with any of their transgressions: but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces, wherein they have sinned, and will cleanse them: so shall they be my people, and I will be their God. And David my servant [shall be] king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them. Ezek 37:16-24

    One Shepherd for one flock from two fold.

    From "Robertson's Word Pictures" on John 10:16
    And they shall become one flock, one shepherd (kai genhsontai mia poimnh, eiv poimhn).

    Christ's use of "flock" (poimnh) here is just another metaphor for kingdom (basileia) in Matthew 8:11 where the children of the kingdom come from all climes and nations. See also the various metaphors in Ephesians 2:1-22 for this same idea. There is only the one Great Shepherd of the sheep (Hebrews 13:20), Jesus Christ our Lord.

    Christ is presently as High Priest building his church (called out ones) and the kingdom will be born from the church.

    I have what I believe to be an interesting question.

    Romans 8:23 And not only [they], but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, [to wit], the redemption of our body.
    Rev. 14:4 These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb.

    Are these the same firstfruits?
     
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    Isaiah 44

    Israel the Chosen

    44 “But now listen, Jacob, my servant,
    Israel, whom I have chosen.
    2 This is what the Lord says—
    he who made you, who formed you in the womb,
    and who will help you:
    Do not be afraid, Jacob, my servant,
    Jeshurun,[Jeshurun means the upright one, that is, Israel.] whom I have chosen.

    Isaiah 53:6
    We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    1 Peter 2:
    21 To this you were called, because Christ suffered for you, leaving you an example, that you should follow in his steps.

    22 “He committed no sin,
    and no deceit was found in his mouth.”[Isaiah 53:9]

    23 When they hurled their insults at him, he did not retaliate; when he suffered, he made no threats. Instead, he entrusted himself to him who judges justly. 24 “He himself bore our sins” in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; “by his wounds you have been healed.” 25 For “you were like sheep going astray,”[Isaiah 53:4,5,6 (see Septuagint)] but now you have returned to the Shepherd and Overseer of your souls.

    Israel, the Jews were the chosen the natural branches who have all gone astray, every last one of them.

    God has called out a remnant those that

    Zephaniah 3:12
    But I will leave within you the meek and humble. The remnant of Israel will trust in the name of the LORD.

    The prophets, the disciple's, Saul we know as Paul. Messengers to those who do not seek God.

    They have become the first fruit to continue to make more disciple's of all nations as the scripture says

    2 Corinthians 5:
    19 that God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting people’s sins against them. And he has committed to us the message of reconciliation. 20 We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us.


    Through them God is including dogs like me who hear the Gospel of my salvation having believed and also grafting back in the natural branches if they do not persist in their unbelief.

    We know who His sheep are they are those who listen and learn from the Father through the words of Jesus for His word is not His own but the Father who sent Him and Jesus word is Spirit and life and only those who eat His flesh and drink His blood has life in them.

    Jesus is the upright one,that is Israel and only those in Jesus is Israel. In Jesus we are not Gentile, we are not dogs, we are not lost sheep we are His sheep and Israel. In Christ we are many, but one Israel.

    We can not be saved from the destruction to come in and of our selves, only in Jesus can we be saved.

    Romans 1:16
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

    I call the shepherd goats leading poor lost sheep to the pit of destruction, not the sheep of Jesus, because no one can lead them to destruction.

    Who is the Lost sheep of Israel?

    Is it Gentiles who really don't know they are the lost sheep of Israel?

    Is it simple an Israelite that will be found by Jesus?

    Could an Israelite who refuses to believe they are lost be found?

    P.S. all sheep and goats references is a hyperbole.
     
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    ***shaking pom poms****

    Go Brother, go!! :laugh:

    Another wonderful post!
     
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    I have heard hyperdispensationalists say that sheep was a term only for Israelites of the so-called "kingdom program." However, would not these passages coincide?

    Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

    Joh 21:15 So when they had dined, Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my lambs.
    Joh 21:16 He saith to him again the second time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? He saith unto him, Yea, Lord; thou knowest that I love thee. He saith unto him, Feed my sheep.
    Joh 21:17 He saith unto him the third time, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me? Peter was grieved because he said unto him the third time, Lovest thou me? And he said unto him, Lord, thou knowest all things; thou knowest that I love thee. Jesus saith unto him, Feed my sheep.

    Joh 10:14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.
    Joh 10:15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

    Act 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
    Act 20:29 For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
    Act 20:30 Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

    1Pe 5:1 The elders which are among you I exhort, who am also an elder, and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that shall be revealed:
    1Pe 5:2 Feed the flock of God which is among you, taking the oversight thereof, not by constraint, but willingly; not for filthy lucre, but of a ready mind;
    1Pe 5:3 Neither as being lords over God's heritage, but being examples to the flock.
    1Pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.


    Jesus, Peter, and Paul all referred to believers (Jew and Gentile) as "sheep," "lambs," and/or "flock."
    Jesus, Peter, and Paul all referred to ministering to these believers as "feeding" them as such sheep.
    Jesus and Paul both spoke of false prophets "coming in" to the fold secretly and manifesting themselves as "wolves."

    WHY should I believe that Jesus/Peter and Paul referred to entirely different things?!
     
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    A Jew and a Gentile can be represented by a sheep being a hyperbole, what the scripture of the O.P. is about the lost sheep of Israel, which is talking about Jews to me.
     
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    I think you might be correct. Jesus even made the statement that He had other sheep not of this fold. Could this be Him referring to us gentiles? I think so.
     
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    Sure. I have seen some take that as far as to say that sheep can ONLY refer to Israelites.
     
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    I think so too, but I have seen hyperdispensationalists say that it can only refer to the divided houses of Judah and Israel coming together for the New Covenant, but not Gentiles or the church.
     
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    John 7:35 Then said the Jews (Judean's) among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, (Greeks) and teach the Gentiles (Greeks)?
    John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:

    Acts 15:14,15 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, (nations) to take out of them a people for his name. And to this agree the words of the prophets; as it is written.
    Part of Ezekiel 36:22,24 Therefore say unto the house of Israel, Thus saith the Lord GOD; I do not [this] for your sakes, O house of Israel, but for mine holy name's sake, For I will take you from among the heathen, (Gentiles) Jeremiah 3:14 Turn, O backsliding children, (Speaking of the house of Israel) saith the LORD; for I am married unto you: and I will take you one of a city, and two of a family, and I will bring you to Zion:

    1 Cor. 1:23,24 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
    Writing to both. 1 Cor. 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; And did all eat the same spiritual meat; And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

    Were both these Jews and Greeks fathers all the above or not?

    Is that also hyperbole? Are we going to, without cause, spiritualize these verses?
     
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    Exodus 19:5
    Now if you obey me fully and keep my covenant, then out of all nations you will be my treasured possession. Although the whole earth is mine,

    I am saying sheep is a hyperbole that people are not sheep, we are not physically sheep. It is talking about their attitude, you see they were not able to enter because of their unbelief. There is a order in scripture for the Jews and the Gentiles.

    Romans 1:16
    For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of God that brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile.

    Romans 2:9
    There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile;

    Romans 2:10
    but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile.

    Look at the O.P. and the Romans verses

    Acts 1:8
    But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.”
     
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