Love of money: "THE" root or "A"root?

The Greek here is 'philarguria' , from 'phileo', love & 'argurion', silver or silver money, hence, "love of money". No mention of anything else but money.

 

Good thoughts, Franklin, especially in the light that there are forms of evil that do NOT spring from love of money.

 

Rufus_1611:Dahmer's motive was not money. Parents are responsible for the roots and upbringing of a child. However, he was not trained up in the way he should go and the element that website cited as a contributing factor were his parents fighting. I am not confiming that I've made a strong case on this issue. However, I am suggesting that the Bible could be right.

And the Bible IS right when it says "A" root.

Well thank you. I'm pretty good looking for a fat person too

I'll take yer word for it. I'm good-looking also, for a feller that shaves his head & wears thick specs.

All of these head meds are causing people problems to various degrees and big pharma folks are profiting huge.

But mosta the time, they HELP people. The pharmaceuticals cannot be responsible for the misuse of their products any more than Smith & Wesson can be held responsible for misuse of THEIRS.

Agree. Thus, only one of them can be the Word of God.

Wrong. They can only be differing TRANSLATIONS of the WOG.

I disagree that it is. If it was translated using the same manuscripts as the KJV then why does it disagree with the KJV and agree with the MVs just like it does on so many other verses?

Because it's made by a different team of translators, using the discoveries of the last 400 years.

Versions with "the":

KJV - For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Versions with "a":

NIV - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

NWT - For the love of money is a root of all sorts of injurious things, and by reaching out for this love some have been led astray from the faith and have stabbed themselves all over with many pains.

NASB - For the love of money is a root of all sorts of evil, and some by longing for it have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs.

Amplified - For the love of money is a root of all evils; it is through this craving that some have been led astray and have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves through with many [a]acute [mental] pangs.

ESV - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evils. It is through this craving that some have wandered away from the faith and pierced themselves with many pangs.

NKJV - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil, for which some have strayed from the faith in their greediness, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

ASV - For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil: which some reaching after have been led astray from the faith, and have pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

Looks as if the KJV is outvoted. However, ya COULD add the Bishop's & the geneva to your "the" section...and subtract the NWT from the "A" section, you're still outvoted 6-3. However, that's not the actual criterion...ACCURACY is! And it's common sense that not ALL evil comes from a love of money. Therefore, "A" is the more accurate.

 

AVBunyan:Amen Rufus - This is the point of what I've been trying to say. Oftentimes we wrongly assume a word means what we think it means.

Money is right and "the" is right.

No, "the" is less correct.

Just figure that evey evil a person does at the root of that evil is the love of money - folks just don't like this a bit.

I don't like it because it's just plain INCORRECT.

Maybe people don't want to admit that we love more than we want to admit. The old nature is still the old nature - corrupt.

Ya got ONE right.

BTW -
You seem to think it is ok for you to go to the Gree/Hebrew to define and English word don't you?

Yes...if the English word isn't a TRUE rendering of a Greek or hebrew word, it's an incorrect translation. Common sense.

So, then do you folks think I'm wrong to defiine an English word with an English dictionary so as to make the word more clear if need be?

It doesn't matter if the Greek word means 'horse' in English and you use the English word 'cat'....it's WRONG.

 

Thank you, BF. There are very definitely types of evil which have nothing to do with love of money. Therefore, the proper English article is "A".

 

Since the Greek in 1 Tim. 6:10 did not supply an article between "is" & "root", it's left to the English to supply one for clarity in our translations. The correct article is supplied by the FACT that there are many evils not arising from love of money. That article is "a".

 

Mike Berzins:It is amazing that all of the "valid" versions and the NWT agree against the reading of the KJB.

When it's wrong, it's WRONG.

This phenomenon seems to occur quite frequently when one compares other verses as well. If the various "valid" versions agree with the NWT very frequently against the KJB, then shouldn't the NWT be considered a valid version?

There are many more places where the NWT doesn't follow any known manuscripts, as I'm sure you already know. And there are even MORE places where it agrees with the KJV. Whaddya say about THAT?

Perhaps it should be considered a "valid" version that just happens to have an error at John 1:1. And how many times do the "valid" versions and the KJB have to disagree with one another, before one would believe that that KJB is not a "valid" version?

Depends upon how many times each departs from the source from which it was made. In this case before us, "A" & "THE" are each possible correct translations. I favor "A" becausa the clear fact that many evils are NOT from love of money.

This phenomenon of a united opposition occurs not only with the written word of God, but also with Jesus, the Word of God.

The Muhammedan says Jesus, the Word of God, is a good man, but not God manifest in the flesh.

The Hindu says Jesus, the Word of God, is a good man, but not God manifest in the flesh.

The Russellite says Jesus, the Word of God, is a good man, but not God manifest in the flesh.

Many different voices uniting against who the Word of God is, and what the word of God says.

Many also say that the King James Bible is a good book (or even "the word of God"), but that it is also not without error.

My bible says God was manifest in the flesh. Does yours? If not, which one of them errs from the words God wants us to have? Or are they somehow both true at the same time?

I Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

There is only ONE possible antecedent for 'He' in Timothy. That's an old and incorrect argument.

P.S. The footnotes might be interesting to some people, but they are not scripture. Unless of course, one believes that the original autograph had a footnote at the bottom from the apostle that said "In an earlier draft, I had included this word, but on second thought I decided to remove it. I trust that this footnote will be preserved from this generation for ever."

The footnotes will be preserved long as a the translation containing them is. That's why the commonly-used KJV is different from the original KJVs...the newer ones generally leave out all the translators' commentary and notes.

MEANWHILE, BACK AT THE RANCH:

Try as you might, you simply CANNOT succeed in limiting God to one version. you simply cannot succeed in proving love of money is "THE" root of ALL evil. serial killers & serial rapists don't do their evil for love of money. And every valid BV I ever saw says "love of money"....not pride, not lust, but M-O-N-E-Y ! You dudes have failed miserably to foil case...all the evidence is AGAINST you.

Since I brought the subject up, the "burden of proof" falls upon me to make the case...& I believe I've done so by presenting the simple, clear fact that mucho evil is done for other reasons besides love of money.

 

It would be better than teaching them an incorrect translation.