Loving the Return of Christ, Part 3

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  1. Martin Marprelate

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    This is the third part of a critique of Hyper-preterism which I have been posting on my Blog.

    http://marprelate.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/the-fogotten-doctrine-loving-the-return-of-christ-3/

    In this article I look at the meaning of our Lord's Olivet Discourse, concentrating on Matt 24:34. "Assuredly I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away until all these things take place."

    Previous articles are

    http://marprelate.wordpress.com/2012/01/20/the-forgotten-doctrine-loving-the-return-of-christ-1/ in which I look at various NT texts to show that the early Christians were eagerly awaiting, longing for and loving the Return of Christ. I go on to ask what it was that they were so eagerly anticipating.

    http://marprelate.wordpress.com/2012/02/23/the-forgotten-doctrine-loving-the-return-of-christ-2/ Here I investigate some of the verses that seem to suggest an early return of Christ.

    In the fourth article (whenever I get around to writing it) I shall be looking at the importance of Christians today eargerly awaiting our Lord's return, and the need to oppose any doctrine that denies that coming return.

    Comments are welcome, either here or on the Blog (or both! :thumbs:)

    Steve
     
  2. asterisktom

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    We share one thing in common, and that is a belief that the topic is an important one.

    Unfortunately I am unable to access your blog from here in China, so I will have to confine myself to responses to your comments here.
     
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    In this article, I am continuing my critique of Hyper-preterism and I want to investigate the meaning of Matthew 24:34.* “Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place.”* Does this verse really mean that the whole of Matt 24 took place in AD 70?* I intend to show that it certainly does not.

    It is not only the FP who believe this but many PP also believe Matt. 24 was fulfilled in the events of AD 70.
     
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    "I intend to show that it certainly does not."

    Let's see how MM 'certainly' makes Christ out to be a liar, because that is 'certainly' what he must do.
     
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    Well said.

    By the way it is not coincidental that Matt. 24 the overwhelming go-to passage for people who want to wrongly divide the prophecy of Christ. Luke and Mark will not lend themselves to this AD 70/still-future as neatly as Matthew seems to do at first glance.

    Luke, especially, "messes up" the chronology that the Matthew of dispensationalists laid out. A careful comparison of the timeline of Matt 24 and those two places in Luke would be very instructive. And very damaging to the majority view.
     
  6. Martin Marprelate

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    This is the sort of argument the Roman Catholics make over Matt 26:26, 'This is My body.'
    Did you actually read the article?

    Steve
     
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    No. I never read the article, don't have the time or desire to read the article. I have this THREEFOLD statement by Christ:

    Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished. Mt 24:34

    Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, until all these things be accomplished. Mk 13:30

    Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all things be accomplished. Lk 21:32

    If there's something from your article that shows Christ was lying, then by all means bring it to light.

    Christ also had this to say:

    The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show unto his servants, even the things which must shortly come to pass: and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John;,,,,,,, Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of the prophecy, and keep the things that are written therein: for the time is at hand. Rev 1: 1, 3

    I come quickly: hold fast that which thou hast, that no one take thy crown. Rev 3:11

    Therefore rejoice, O heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe for the earth and for the sea: because the devil is gone down unto you, having great wrath, knowing that he hath but a short time. Rev 12: 12

    And behold, I come quickly. Blessed is he that keepeth the words of the prophecy of this book.,,,,,,,,,, And he saith unto me, Seal not up the words of the prophecy of this book; for the time is at hand.,,,,,,,, Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to render to each man according as his work is.,,,,,,,,,,,,,, He who testifieth these things saith, Yea: I come quickly. Amen: come, Lord Jesus. Rev 22:7,10,12,20

    If there's something from your article that shows Christ was lying, then by all means bring it to light.

    The writer of Hebrews had this to say:

    For yet a very little while, He that cometh shall come, and shall not tarry. Heb 10:37

    Compare:

    New International Version (©1984)
    For in just a very little while, "He who is coming will come and will not delay.

    New Living Translation (©2007)
    "For in just a little while, the Coming One will come and not delay.

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    For, “Yet a little while, and the coming one will come and will not delay;

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    FOR YET IN A VERY LITTLE WHILE, HE WHO IS COMING WILL COME, AND WILL NOT DELAY.

    King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
    For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

    International Standard Version (©2008)
    For "in a very little while the one who is coming will return- he will not delay;

    Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
    “Because in a very short time, he who is coming will come and will not delay.”

    GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    "Yet, the one who is coming will come soon. He will not delay.

    King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
    For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

    American King James Version
    For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

    American Standard Version
    For yet a very little while, He that cometh shall come, and shall not tarry.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    For yet a little and a very little while, and he that is to come, will come, and will not delay.

    Darby Bible Translation
    For yet a very little while he that comes will come, and will not delay.

    English Revised Version
    For yet a very little while, He that cometh shall come, and shall not tarry.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    For yet a little while, and he that is coming will come, and will not tarry.

    Weymouth New Testament
    For there is still but a short time and then "The coming One will come and will not delay.

    World English Bible
    "In a very little while, he who comes will come, and will not wait.

    Young's Literal Translation
    for yet a very very little, He who is coming will come, and will not tarry;

    If there's something from your article that shows the writer was lying, then by all means bring it to light.


    Verily I say unto you, there are some of them that stand here, who shall in no wise taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom. Mt 16 :28

    Yea, show Christ to be a liar, because that's what you 'CERTAINLY' must do.
     
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