LS/Calvinism: Two Errors, One Departure

And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God. Then said he unto him,

A certain man made a great supper, and bade many:

17And sent his servant at supper time to say to them that were bidden, Come; for all things are now ready.

18And they all with one consent began to make excuse. The first said unto him, I have bought a piece of ground, and I must needs go and see it: I pray thee have me excused.

19And another said, I have bought five yoke of oxen, and I go to prove them: I pray thee have me excused.

20And another said, I have married a wife, and therefore I cannot come.

21So that servant came, and shewed his lord these things. Then the master of the house being angry said to his servant, Go out quickly into the streets and lanes of the city, and bring in hither the poor, and the maimed, and the halt, and the blind.

22And the servant said, Lord, it is done as thou hast commanded, and yet there is room.

23And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled.

24For I say unto you, That none of those men which were bidden shall taste of my supper.

25And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,

26If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

27And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

28For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have sufficient to finish it?

29Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish it, all that behold it begin to mock him,

30Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.

31Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?

32Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.

33So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

18 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen. Matt 28:18-20

Lordship Salvation doesn't call men to forsake everything, the LORD of Salvation does. Have you forsook all to follow Jesus Lou? Unless you do, you CANNOT be His disciple.

 

Your gospel with no lord is not working here Lou.


MacArthur says...

"Let me say as clearly as possible right now that salvation is by God's sovereign grace and grace alone. Nothing a lost, degenerate, spiritually dead sinner can do will in any way contribute to salvation. Saving faith, repentance, commitment, and obedience are all divine works, wrought by the Holy Spirit in the heart of everyone who is saved. . . . Real salvation cannot and will not fail to produce works of righteousness in the life of a true believer" (p. xiii.)


Now is a good time to leave your hate Lou.

 

Jarth,

Lou has talked about this, really against this, so much...that I just asked my wife if we have the book by MacArhur. If not, I am buying it..today. lol

 

This is what two others have told me. Lou does not realize he has misrepresented MacArthur so much that it HELPS MacArthur.

 

Salvation is for those on whom God has bestowed his sovereign grace. They will come to him through the working of the Spirit to embrace the Son for salvation.

They will find the Son sweet and will want to savoring him for the rest of their lives.

They will surrender to him as the new Lord of their lives.

 

I wonder, ReformedBaptist, if you or I or anyone else on the BB for that matter, could honestly answer answer "Yes!" to the question you just asked of Lou Martuneac? It would seem that you are suggesting one could not be saved until this happens. Are you married, perchance? If so, what about this Biblical declaration?

Can only those who are not married, such as Paul, who was apparently not at this time, be saved? Remember, Scripture is saying this, not some theological wannabe, such as EdSutton. By what ReformedBaptist is saying (or at least implying), only one who has forsaken everything can be saved in the first place. Guess Peter (Cephas), not to mention the other apostles, wasn't saved, then, hunh? (I Cor. 9:5-7) I certainly don't believe that Peter was unsaved, and I seriously doubt you do either.

FTR, Peter was just as saved when Jesus called him Satan, and when he denied the Lord, as well as when the Lord told him to strengthen the brethren when he was converted, not to mention when he "played the hypocrite" at Antioch, as he was when he did his Dwight L. Moody/Billy Graham bit with the 'city-wide crusade' in Jerusalem around Pentecost, some 54-58 days later, when 3000 were saved on the day of Pentecost, and a few days later when 5000 men, not to even mention any women and children, were saved, at one 'meeting', or when he was used of the Holy Spirit to write Scripture. (Mt. 16:13-17:11; Mk. 14:29-31, 66-72; Lk. 22:31-34; Acts 2:14-4:4; Gal. 2:11-18; I Pet. 1:1-2; II Pet. 1:1-4)

And BTW, Before I Forget! why would Paul even be led by the Holy Spirit to give marriage guidelines for believers, if one could not be a 'disciple' as well as be married, at the same time? (I Cor. 7; et al.)

FTR, Jesus started in the verses you quoted, and I excerpted from above, by addressing the lawyers and Pharisees, at the house of the ruler, and actualy gave most of this discourse in response to a 'smart-aleck' comment from one of them, who was intending to 'decry' what the Lord was saying, after the rest were silent, when He spoke the Pharisees, the guests, and the host. However, in vs. 25, we see a change of direction where multitudes followed Him, and he then gave the cost of discipleship, not that of salvation. This discourse runs all the way through Lk. 17:10, and includes, among other things, the accounts (not parables, for there is a 'break' in the quoted words of Jesus in Lk. 15:11) of the the Father and the two sons, as well as the account of the rich man and Lazarus.

I have said many times that I will be found among and with the great saints of Scripture at the Lord's return, many of whom are listed in Heb. 11 in the 'Hall of Fame of Faith', and these dozen or so, such as Noah, Jacob, Rahab, Samson, David, Jonah, Job, Gideon, Thomas, Peter, Paul, and Lot.

The way I got it figured, that will put me with some I can identify with - a drunken sailor, the greatest swindler in history, a prostitute, a 'womanizer', a murder and adulterer, the greatest bigot in history, the greatest egoist, the biggest coward, the greatest doubter, a Christ-denier, the chief of sinners and the Mayor of Sodom.

Nice crowd, hunh? But that is the one who I am going to be found with.

BTW, not one word of Scripture ever says any of the above ever "repented" of anything, save Job, althjough some (but not all) did confess their sins to God, after this.

I'll let others get on the train with the 'religious crowd' and those that are 'trusting in themselves', based on their 'good deeds', for I don't particularly like their destination! (Mt. 7:21-23; Lk. 18:9-14)

Ed

 

If I may ask, could you please give a Bible reference for each of these statements (I count four): Book, Chapter, and Verse? I would like to look these up and study them.

 

I emphasized extra-biblical to make sure unsuspecting readers understood you were speaking as an anti-Calvinist.

 

I don't think you needed to add your gloss Lou. The sentence should read as it did originally without your foisted commentary."Salvation is for those on whom God has bestowed His sovereign grace."

 

Lou, I'm already on record in agreement with you against MacArthur's use of James 4.

Are you looking for an agreement?

 

Again you mslead. Your pretty good at this Lou.

Irresistible grace is salvation, when grace indeed becomes irresistible. Till that time, man will ALWAYS say no to the gospel.

What's next Lou?

 

Cool down Lou...you seem a little uptight,

Your gospel with no Lord, is not making a big hit here.

 

Of course "extra-biblical extremes" because they do not agree with your theology.