Luke 23:34

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  1. convicted1

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    I have a question for each and everyone. Who was Jesus addressing, or rather, praying for,when He made this statement?
    Luke 23:34
    Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do. And they parted his raiment, and cast lots.

    Willis
     
  2. Amy.G

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    I think from the context Jesus prayed for the Roman soldiers who had mocked Him, beat Him and nailed Him to the cross, afterwards casting lots for His clothing. They didn't understand that Jesus really was God in the flesh. But the self-righteous Pharisees knew who Jesus was and willingly rejected and killed Him for fear of losing their prestige and power.


    John 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.
     
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    Of course, since Jesus intercedes ony for "the elect", all those soldiers must have later become believers.
     
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    Bro. Jerome,

    I meekly and humbly disagree with your statement here. No where in the bible will this statement stand up. I mean that there is no way any of us can tell if these Roman soldiers believed in Him after His crucifixition. There was one who did state, "Surely this was the Son of God", so apparently he knew. But the scriptures are silent in regards to the others who mocked Him.

    We all had part in Jesus' death in that He took our sins and nailed them with Him on the cross. Our sins helped nail Him to the cross.

    So when Jesus prayed to the Father to "forgive them", He was talking about those who didn't believe in who He was at that time. Now when He was talking to the Pharisees and Saducees, He stated that "you are of your father, the devil", and I believe that included the Romans as well. Why do I believe that you may ask? Romans were/are gentiles, and until Jesus raised that third and appointed morning, they were excluded from the Old Testament laws, and after He arose, He made us all equal. Meaning that the gentiles have as much right to God, as the Jew had/has. He made it to where there was neither male nor female, jew nor greek(gentile), bond or free, but one Spirit. I hope I haven't muddied the waters. I will try to make it clearer, if you want me to. With love!!

    i am I am's!!

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    Bro. Jerome,

    Let me try to clear this up a bit. Sorry of the previous post messed things up a bit. Jesus came to His own(the elect as the DoG call them, the OT jew, etc) and His own received Him not. But, as many as did receive Him, to them gave He the power to become the sons of God(John ch. 1). So, whoever believes in the Elect, that passage states that even some of Jesus' own(Elect) wouldn't receive Him. So you see, being an OT Jew didn't ensure you a place with God in heaven. It was those who believed in what the OT prophets told them what God had spoken to them, that were able to go to paradise, when they died.

    The Jewish "higher ups", Caiaphas(sp?) and Annas, didn't believe that Jesus was the Son of God because their eyes were blinded. Why were their eyes blinded? Because if they had believed that Jesus was the Son of God, they would not have tried so hard to have Him killed, therefore the scriptures would no have been fulfilled about Him dying for the lost. There was one place where Jesus left a place after He found out that they wanted to anoint Him a king. He is a King, but His kingdom is not of this world, and that is why His servants didn't fight. Now, where Jesus asked the Father to "forgive them for they know not what they do", this had to include the Jews who sought so hard to have Him crucified. They were just as guilty as the Roman soldiers who nailed His sweet hands and feet to the cross, those who plucked His beard from His face, who placed a crown of thorns upon His precious head and thrust it down, who spit upon Him and smote Him and told Him to prophesy who it was who smote Him, etc. So even those who crucified Him, Jesus prayed for. I believe this with ALL MY HEART!! I hope this cleared things up some. With love!!

    i am I am's

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    Since the "they" in the second sentence would modify or point back to the first "they" in the first sentence I would assume that He is praying for the same ones who are casting lots and parting His garments.
     
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    I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for those whom thou hast given me; for they are thine: Jn 17:9

    Is it unthinkable that there were those involved in the crucifixion that belonged to the Lord?
     
  8. Jerome

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    John MacArthur reports that Jesus' prayer was not for "everyone who participated in Christ's crucifixion. Rather, it was a plea on behalf of those who would repent and trust Him as their Lord and Savior."

    Rent the the movie "The Robe"; you'll see that he's right.
     
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    ..............
     
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