lWhen did the Old Testament end?

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  1. ituttut

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    What dO WE FIND IN THE oLD tESTAMENT? It is filled with Do's, and Dont's. You do this and I'll do that. Did the Old Testament end at the Cross?
     
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    The Old Testament ends on page 1066.
     
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    At the cross.

    Hbr 8:13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
     
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    Please help me out here, what are all the covenants indicated in the OT. Here are some that come to mind.

    1. Noahic Covenant
    2. Abrahamic Covenant
    3. Mosaic Covenant
    4. Davidic Covenant

    Are there others? Are each of these "null and void"? Or all of these still in effect and/or continuing to be fulfilled?
     
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    Christ is the fulfillment of the Law and Prophets including all the covenants as they were a mere shadow of the coming Messiah.
     
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    I agree Amy, I was looking for "how" each of these covenants were being fulfilled.
     
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    Our pastor likes to sum it like this:

    OT times -- God Near Us

    The Gospels -- God With Us

    The Rest of the NT -- God In Us [i.e., the Holy Spirit]
     
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    Noahic Covenant (Genesis 8): God gave the rainbow to symbolize his covenant with Noah and His promise never again to destroy the world with water.

    Abrahamic Covenant (Genesis 12:1-3,7; 13:14-18; 15): God promised to bless Abraham and his nation and the entire world through his Seed. Jesus Christ is Abraham's Son and inherits these blessings and bestows them upon those who believe (Matthew 1:1; Galatians 3:6-29). The national, physical aspects of Abraham's covenant will yet be fulfilled to the nation Israel (Jeremiah 30)

    Mosaic Covenant (Exodus 19:1-24):The Mosaic covenant was a system of law God gave to Israel on Mt. Sinai. The purpose of this law was to reveal sin by showing God's standard of righteousness and to show God's way of salvation by pointing to Christ in types such as the Tabernacle, the Levitical offerings, the priesthood, and the feasts. The Mosaic covenant was done away with when Christ died (2 Corinthians 3; Galatians 3; Romans 4; Hebrews 7:1-9)

    Davidic Covenant (2 Samuel 7:12-17): The Davidic covenant is an extension of the covenant God made with Abraham. God's covenant with David reaffirmed the Abrahamic covenant (2 Samuel 7:10), promised that the throne of David would be established forever through David's seed (2 Samuel 7:13), promised chastisement for sin, but never annulment of the promise (2 Samuel 7:14-15), and established David's house and kingdom forever (2 Samuel 7:16). All of these promises are fulfilled through Jesus Christ, David's Son, who has inherited the throne of David (Matthew 1:1) and who will establish the Davidic kingdom at His return from Heaven (Isaiah 9:6-7).
     
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    The promises of God in the OT are still there!
    Jesus said "until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished." (Matt. 5:18 NIV)

    In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. (Hebrews 1:1–2 NIV)

    How's the saying go? "New in the Old concealed; Old in the New revealed."

    We act differently because we have a more perfect (complete) word.

    Rob
     
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    Thank You!! :thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:
     
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    What does page 1066 say?
     
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    Amy you are in line with most of Christendom. But I believe your reference to what Paul wrote to the Hebrews will not support this view.
     
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    What is your interpretation of Heb 8:13?
     
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    Well you said at the cross then posted Hebrews 8:13
    Let's be precise. When at the cross. H8:13 near disappearing? What does that mean? Would not at the cross imply already having disappeared?

    Let me ask. By what covenant would a person today, Jew, Gentile or any other be brought into a relationship with God therefore becoming an heir?
     
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    The promises to them will not pass away. Just the way salvation was obtained by God's people.
     
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    They were beginning to be fulfilled at Pentecost. But even with fertilization, the house of Israel still refused to believe in the Name of the Only Begotten Son of God. The promises will be fulfilled at the time God appoints.
     
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    I Like that in a nutshell Truth. But not just started at the Gospels. God dealt directly man from the beginning. He will do so again beginning with the Rapture.
     
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    . Agree the Promises for Israel will be kept.
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    Exactly. As the name implies, the Book of Hebrews is written to whom? Their Fathers are not OUR FATHERS. In "Last Days", we are to believe that Gospel that Christ Jesus revealed to Paul. The Gospel Paul preached was not of man, but of Our Lord Jesus Christ from heaven, as your quote reveals.
    So very true. For it s by the Grace of God that through faith we are saved, and not as of OLD when Grace included works by the hands of man. "I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
    7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ."
     
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    The Old is being phased out, showing us also that the New is beginning to apply. So when Paul wrote to the Hebrews we know the Old has not passed away (at that time), but like an Old car, it is being put aside.

    In TIME, it takes time for things to change. The revelations to Paul from Jesus Christ in Heaven were given over time, for Paul could not be taught every thing at once. Also the Grace Commission of through faith only had to be spread, and accepted to make the Old obsolete. This Wonderful Saving Gospel is still being spread, and IN TIME the Body of Christ Church will be full. Oh Happy Day.
     
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    That last paragraph makes it sound like the old car is still running?:jesus:
     

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