Mainstream Baptist leaders credit ‘freedom’ for keeping them Baptist

Everybody's got an angle don't they. Anyway....if you don't mind hurrying up we need Jesus back in the dressing room.....the Lutherans need to get him in costume to prove their point....they have him reserved for tomorrow. We gotta keep him moving.....i think we double booked Jesus for this weekend.....the CBF AND MCC have Him reserved for Friday Saturday AND Sunday.......at least He won't have to change costumes.


If you want to toss around Jesus to prove YOUR religion sign up today!

 

The passage I quoted was Hebrews 13:7. The passage you describe is not Hebrews 13:7

 

Nice redirect to avoid the topic. However Baptist distincitves are not defined as not having any standards. We clearly have standards else other denoms would not cringe at being called a baptist. And Jesus was never called irreligious or liberal. The jews problem with Jesus wasnt that he didnt do things their way, their problem was that he was the Messiah and was of God.


Pharissee and jews are the liberals favorite pejorative.

 

I don't like overusing the conservative/liberal construct when talking about the Pharisees and Jesus.

Let's be honest. It's a meaningless dichotomy. The terms change meaning depending on frequently changing context, so we can never "nail the jello to the wall."

If we could enter the Pharisees, Jesus, and the United Church of Christ into the same context, even if you arrive at the conclusion that the Pharisees were conservative, and Jesus was liberal, you'd be forced to say that the United Church of Christ is so far to the left that they've circled the globe twice.

 

It makes such a nice pejorative.:thumbs:

 

He was accused of having a demon, being insane, and a blamphemer... They also accused Him of wanting to destroy the temple (their religious institution) and trying to stir up the people against Rome. On a number of occasions, Jesus was condemned for allegedly violating the Sabbath because He went with the spirit of the Law (a more "liberal" reading) rather than the letter of the Law (a very conservative reading).

 

The very poor attemt to to tie Jesus into the liberal agenda is a failure. Jesus was quite conservative when he said the no man can come to the Father but by Him. If Nicodemus was to see the kingdom of God he must be born again. The disciples found His teachings hard in John 6:60. He preached a literal judgment and a literal hell. Nothing liberal about that.

 

Good. because that wasn't my intent. I just wanted to point out that Jesus was falsely labeled all sorts of things that had little to do with reality. In the same way, too many people throw around the word "liberal" when they simply mean "someone I disagree with."

The examples you gave are not "conservative", they are true. That's not to say that truth and conservatism are opposites, but you seem to use "conservative" to mean "true" and "liberal" to mean false.

• A person who is a conservative wants to "conserve" the things we are doing now.
• A person who is a liberal stresses "liberty" over more restrictive traditional understandings.

 

Wow! Another redirect but with an accusation that liberlas are more moral or righteous than conservatives? How bold but ungodly. The assertion that people do not know what Baptists stand for but they know what they stand against is a story with little to no evidence. Nice try though.

 

You certainly dont know that about me.

The examples I gave being true are also conservative. For they have been believed historically since God first spoke them. And since they are true should we give room for "liberty" in them or should we hold to the historical, conservative standard? Should we conserve them?

 

Hebrews 13:7 in no way teaches this. It doesnt even come close.

 

So what. You named some failures of people who are conservative. BY the way the bigest religious scandal of our time rests not in the Baptist denomination but in the Catholic church.

How do you jump from the false notion that the key Baptist distinction is to agree on nothing to a discussion on Jesus' view on politics. One opic at a time please.

 

Jesus said no one comes to the Father except by himself, Jesus. In the eyes of liberals this is an extremely bigoted narrow view. Yes or No-- is Jesus required to come to God the Father? IOW if you are not a believer in Jesus Christ, will you be damned?