Major Speech by Barack Obama on War on Terrorism

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  1. KenH

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    Obama is a foreign policy neophyte struggling to be the VP of the US.

    His inexperience and lack of qualifications in general are beginning to show. If he's not careful, Hillary won't choose him.
     
  3. KenH

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    Do have any specific analysis of his speech to offer? The House ran late yesterday and I had to tape the speech in the wee hours of the morning. I am planning to watch it in a few minutes.
     
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    Well said, though I doubt she would have chosen him anyway.
     
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    Specifically? Besides the normal meaningless promises of a candidate running for office, he should try to remember that, should he win the democrat nomination(which he won't), he won't be running against George W Bush.

    His speech was laced with the normal anti-Bush and anti -war rhetoric. He praised Pakistan on one hand, threatened their sovereignty on the other, and offered to sell them airplanes in the next breath.

    He is in over his head.
     
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    I just finished watching Senator Obama's speech and I must say that I found a whole lot that I found commendable in his speech. I probably agreed with 90-95% of it.

    There were five parts:

    1) Take the fight to al Qaeda and its allies wherever they are found. Finish the job in Afghanistan and enlist the support of Pakistan to destroy al Qaeda's forces in its frontier area. To allow al Qaeda to have a safe haven in Pakistan is to repeat the mistake we made in Afghanistan after the Soviets pulled out.

    2) Rally the world to fight al Qaeda and its allies worldwide and to deny them weapons of mass destruction.

    3) We must dry up support for terror and extremism. We must stop allowing the extremists to define America and define them instead - "author our own story".

    4) We must stop compromising our values. We must stay on the high ground - no more Abu Ghraibs, no more Guantanamos, no illegal wire-tapping of American citizens. We must again show the world that law in this country "is not subject to the whims of stubborn rulers, and that justice is not arbitrary".

    5) Secure our homeland. Our approach must be based on risk. We must protect our infrastructure, our chemical plants, our refineries, our pipelines, our power grids. We must improve our screening of cargoes in our ports. There must be two-way sharing of information between the federal government and state and local governments "because we never know where the two pieces of the puzzle are that might fit together".

    I want to say publicly on this board: Well said, sir, well said. :thumbs:
     
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    1. Does this mean that we engage in more "preemptive war" as Dr. Paul puts it? What part of the job isn't finished in Afghanistan? The Taliban is gone. And enlist Pakistan's support? That's worked well so far. I don't think they're going to support the U.S. 100%. Phooey on their support. I think we should take the handcuffs off of ourselves and go after Al Qaeda, with or without Pakistan's support. We've shown too much weakness in tryin to cajole Musharraf.

    2. How? We've done this, and it seems as if at times President Bush is derided for doing so.

    3. How?

    4. Abu Grhaib - fine. Guantanamo - not ready to shut it down yet.

    5. Again, how? How are you going to do this without comprimising our own freedoms and creating enormous bureacracies that are largely ineffective? And how are you going to improve the communication between the state/local level and the Federal Govt? Technologically, that's easy (though expensive, maybe) but logistically, improving the flow comes down to personal initiative....something the govt can't mandate.

    The rhetoric sounds good. I'd like to see the plans. Show me how.
     
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    Just like Texas Governor Bush in 2000.
     
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    That's not a valid comparison. W was struggling to be President. :laugh:

    Governors do have some FP experience as executives, though, mostly on trade and some other economic issus. Congressional members have experience on an informational level. I would guess that Obama's inexperience is attributed to (1) His one term tenure in the Senate, and (2) Some "gaffs" pointed out by others in his own party. Of course, these folks aren't dripping with foreign policy resume ink either.
     
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    There is not one Democratic candidate running that is worth one minute of our consideration. All of them are pro choice. Disqualified. End of story.

    The pathetic leadership of this administration does not mean one votes for a Democrat. It is not the answer. The answer is to get a true conservative to run on the other side, which hasn't happened yet.
     
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    Stirring up a hornets nest.

    Let's speak the truth everyone wants to avoid:

    With his very slim resume, Obama wouldn't be a blip on the radar if he wasn't black.

    But then, neither would Hillary if her husband had not been President.
     
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    Yea she is quite the coat tail rider.
     
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    GWB is trying to do that, with Congress fighting against it.

    GWB trying, without Congressional help.

    Wow, lets simply ask the Lord to save everyone, it'll be easier.

    Premise based in false propaganda by leftists. And you've bought it all.

    do you actually read what you write? Obama is a foolish neophite.
     
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    This thread is not about voting or the election. It is about the ideas presented in Senator Obama's speech on fighting terrorism.
     
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    I disagree. President Bush, since the run-up to the invasion of Iraq, has practiced, a large amount of the time, a go it along, diplomatic isolationism policy in the war on terrorism.

    TomVols, I appreciate you dealing with the substance of this thread and not engaging in hyperbole and mere political talking points. :)
     
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    It's clear Obama didn't say what the talking heads are accusing him of saying. He wouldn't attack Pakistan, from what I got out of it. I saw it more like a friendly invasion, kinda like what Teddy Roosevelt & the Rough Riders did in Cuba.

    Not that I'm a fan of Obama,( you know what I'd say to Chelsea Clinton if I saw her ? "Three things scare me, Osama, Obama, and yer mama) but this is a pig pile on Barak, and it's not really honest, or fair.
     
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    It is impossible to separate the two.
     
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    Not if one wishes to engage in honest discussion and debate.
     
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    If you wish to have an "honest" discussion, you have to begin by understanding that every word Obama utters is crafted to affect an election. They are inseparable.
     
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    Then my post should have been a blank page.
     

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