I was so outraged upon seeing this, I decided to come here and post. http://www.catholic.org/international/international_story.php?id=26130 Quote: Pope calls Catholics and Baptists to Common Witness 12/7/2007 Catholic News Agency (www.catholicnewsagency.com) "Obedience to the Lord's will should constantly spur us, then, to strive for that unity so movingly expressed in His priestly prayer: 'that they may all be one. so that the world may believe.' For the lack of unity between Christians 'openly contradicts the will of Christ" Pope Benedict XVI Advertisement VATICAN CITY (CNA) - Baptists leaders from around the world met with Pope Benedict XVI this morning at the Vatican as the second round of Baptist-Catholic talks continued. Saying that the lack of unity among Christians contradicts Christ’s will, Benedict XVI told the Baptist delegation that the world needs “our common witness to Christ and to the hope brought by the Gospel.” This meeting in Rome is the second round of ongoing discussions that Members of the Baptist World Alliance are holding with the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. The theme for this meeting is: "The Word of God in the Life of the Church: *****ure, Tradition and Koinonia." That theme, the Pope told the delegates, "offers a promising context for the examination of such historically disputed issues as the relationship between Scripture and Tradition, the understanding of Baptism and the Sacraments, the place of Mary in the communion of the Church, and the nature of ... primacy in the Church's ministerial structure.” In an approach that seems to be characteristic of all Benedict XVI’s efforts to promote dialogue, he said, "f our hope for reconciliation and greater fellowship between Baptists and Catholics is to be realized," he added, "issues such as these need to be faced together, in a spirit of openness, mutual respect and fidelity to the liberating truth and saving power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ." "Today, as ever, the world needs our common witness to Christ and to the hope brought by the Gospel," Pope Benedict concluded. "Obedience to the Lord's will should constantly spur us, then, to strive for that unity so movingly expressed in His priestly prayer: 'that they may all be one. so that the world may believe.' For the lack of unity between Christians 'openly contradicts the will of Christ, provides a stumbling block to the world, and harms the most holy cause of proclaiming the good news to every creature' ************************ This one part of the Pope's speech here too: Quote:As believers in Christ, we acknowledge him as the one mediator between God and humanity This is a lie here. Why are Baptists being so easily fooled? As many times as the popes have referred to Mary as MEDIATRIX??? By the way I'm ex-Catholic and for years was in a great congregation at an indpt Baptist church where the truth was taught, since being in a new area, I have realized that if a church is called Baptist this is no guarantee they are teaching anything near God's Word! where is the Biblical discernment here folks? and: Quote: Baptist-Catholic talks continue The second round in the second series of conversations between the Baptist World Alliance (BWA) and the Vatican takes place December 2 to 8 in Rome, Italy. The first round in this series was held at Beeson Divinity School, Samford University, in the city of Birmingham in the United States, from December 10-15, 2006. The meetings are jointly planned by the Study and Research (S&R) Division of the BWA, headed by Fausto Vasconcelos, and the Vatican’s Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity. Paul Fiddes of England, co-chair of the Commission on Doctrine and Interchurch Cooperation of the BWA S&R Division, chairs the conversations along with Arthur Serratelli, Roman Catholic Bishop of Patterson, New Jersey, USA. Joining Vasconcelos, Fiddes and Serratelli in Rome is BWA General Secretary Neville Callam, as well as other noted Baptist and Catholic leaders, scholars, and academics. The Baptist team consists of permanent members, and persons specially invited as “esteemed guests.” Permanent members include Fred Deegbe from Ghana, Lilian Lim from Singapore, Tadeusz Zielinski from Poland, Tomas Mackey of Argentina, and Timothy George, Steven Harmon and Nora Lozano of the United States. Guests for this round of conversations include Massimo Aprile of Italy, and Curtis Freeman and Denton Lotz from the USA. Tony Peck, BWA Regional Secretary for Europe, will also participate. The theme of the second round of meetings is “Baptism and Lord’s Supper/Eucharist as Visible Word of God in the Koinonia of the Church.” The first series of talks between the BWA and the Vatican took place between 1984 and 1988. The current series, which began in December 2006, continues until 2010. The BWA General Council, meeting in Mexico City in July 2006, approved the present series of theological conversations with the Vatican. The BWA has previously held theological conversations with the Anglican, Lutheran, Mennonite, Reformed, and Orthodox churches. (November 30, 2007) Ok I thought maybe this group BAPTIST WORLD ALLIANCE--- ok maybe they are some liberal offshoot, instead I found out they are representing NEARLY ALL BAPTIST DENOMINATIONALS! with the exception of the SBC and fundamentalist indpt baptists. Here's their membership list of Baptists groups in the US that they represent. What is that over 12 million Baptists in America? Where they all sleeping through the Bible classes on Revelation or something? http://www.bwanet.org/default.aspx?pid=5 Things are far worse then I thought. I hope here there are a FEW PEOPLE ON MY SIDE WITH BIBLICAL DISCERNMENT ABOUT THIS ISSUE!