Manhattan Declaration Signing

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  1. Rhetorician

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    To all who love:

    1. Life;
    2. The Nuclear Family as God designed it; and
    3. Liberty.

    Should Baptist academics and educational leaders sign the "Manhattan Declaration" document?

    Read the document and about the document here:

    http://www.manhattandeclaration.org/

    For full disclosure purposes, I have signed it.:thumbsup:

    "That is all!"
     
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  2. Johnv

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    I don't believe anyone should sign it. The MD is quickly becoming a litmust test, akin to Joe McCarthy looking for communists.
     
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    JohnV Response

    Johnv,

    Thank you for the forthrightness of your response. Would you/Could you give a bit of exposition for your obviously earnest expression?

    What then are we who are "Bible believers" to to? and how may I ask are we to do it?

    Are we not so far gone on these three issues in American that the Church in particular and the academics in general who believe in these issues should not "cry aloud and spare not?!"

    Please help this brother understand? :smilewinkgrin:

    "That is all!"
     
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    Already, you're starting to see a rise in people who are starting to make judgements on other peoples' faith based solely or primarily on whether that person has signed the Declaration or not. It's not unlike election time when some politician comes out with a "tax pledge" which then causes other politicians to get judged based on whether they signed the pledge or not. I have no interest in signing any pledge just to profess my faith, whether or not the pledge in question concurs with my personal faith.
    Bible believers have done fine without it. We should refrain from making judgements about a person based on whether or not they've signed it.
    To "cry aloud and spare not" is not contingent upon the signing or refraining from signing any declaration.
     
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    I wouldn't have any problem signing it. I believe the MD is a good document.

    I'm just so tired of having Christians tell and show the world what were and who we're against and this is an opportunity to show them and tell them what and who we are for.

    Now if it is becoming a litimus test, then shame on our academic houses.
     
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    I know Dr. Mohler is a signatory, but Sproul and MacArthur refuse. FWIW.
     
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    THis is/was being discussed on the Other Denom boards if interested..
     
  8. Martin

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    I have not signed it and will not. My opinion on this is best represented by John MacArthur (HERE).
     
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    That seems like a pretty weak reason to sign a document. Jesus was against a lot of things, if you look at his statements.

    I consider putting my name on a document like this to be very serious, and also must consider the consequences.

    I think some of those who did not sign have given good, sound reasons, like R. C. Sproul:
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    http://new.ligonier.org/blog/the-manhattan-declaration/

    Also see:
    http://thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/tgc/2009/11/30/the-manhattan-declaration/

    http://teampyro.blogspot.com/2009/11/nineteen-questions-for-signers-of.html
     
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    I am in absolute agreement with R.C.: in fact, I am absolutely flabbergasted that Mohler signed it!

    I think this sentence from R.C., sums up my feelings on the matter:

    "While I would march with the bishop of Rome and an Orthodox prelate to resist the slaughter of innocents in the womb, I could never ground that cobelligerency on the assumption that we share a common faith and a unified understanding of the gospel."

    If they wanted to make a "conservative" alliance, rather than basing it on a wrongly perceived commonality of faith, I would be glad to sign.
     
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    Here's why Dr. Mohler signed it:
    http://www.albertmohler.com/2009/11/23/why-i-signed-the-manhattan-declaration/

    I respect Drs. Sproul and MacArthur immensely. R.C. gives a better reason not to sign it than Mac does, IMHO.

    Ligon Duncan should be heard as well: http://www.reformation21.org/articles/the-manhattan-declaration-a-statement-from-ligon-duncan.php

    And from Mark Dever: http://www.9marks.org/partner/Article_Display_Page/0,,PTID314526_CHID598016_CIID2397358,00.html
     
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