March 6, 1836

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  1. KenH

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    Thanks Ken, Appreciate the link. Interesting, isn't it?
     
  3. KenH

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    As a native Texan, I have been interested in the Alamo from a very young age.
     
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    Remember Goliad!

    They didn't get as good a movie :(

    http://www.lone-star.net/mall/txtrails/goliad.htm

    Grave of Col. James W. Fannin Jr. and Men:
    A monument marks the grave of Colonel Fannin and 342 men who had surrendered to Mexican forces during the Texas Revolution and were massacred at the order of General Santa, Anna on Palm Sunday morning, March 27, 1836. Located two miles south of Goliad off U.S. 183, a few hundred yards from Presidio La Bahia.
     
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    Remember Los Niños Héroes!.

    Takes cover..
     
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    I buried my Mother-in-law (MIL) week before
    last over in Fannin county. She had lived in
    the Fannin county community of Ector though
    for the last few years she had been in a
    rest home on the Fannin county border town
    of Savoy.
     
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    the Alamo...another noche in the boastful belt of a Texan.
     
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    They rewrote history (quickly) to show how these men held up the armies of Santa Ana, bloodied them badly, and allowed Sam Houston to get his army and victory. Remember the Alamo!

    Right. Doesn't take much more than a calendar and a map to see that the Alamo was a pretty useless sacrifice of men and materials. Not even much loss to the Mexican army as I recall.

    Anybody know if they disobeyed orders (my thinking, but can't recall if there is truth behind that) and the war for independence won in a real battle somewhere down the line . . .
     
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    Quite a sacrifice for the 189 Texians and pro-freedom Mexicans who died in defense and the 600(or more) Mexicans who died in attacking the Alamo.
     
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    You bet. [​IMG]

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    Native Texan :D
     
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    The Battle of the Alamo would not have taken place had the garrison followed Sam Houston's orders to blow up the fort and leave San Antonio.

    On January 17, 1836, Houston wrote Governor Henry Smith that he had "ordered the fortifications in the town of Bexar to be demolished, and if you should think well of it, I will remove all the cannon and other munitions of war to Gonzales and Copano, blow up the Alamo, and abandon the place, as it will be impossible to keep up the Station with volunteers,. . . ."

    Thus, Houston requested permission to give the order to destroy the Alamo - permission that Governor Smith did not grant. The lack of horses and mules meant that the cannon, ammunition, and other supplies could not have been removed even if the governor had agreed with Houston's plan.16 On February 2, 1836, Bowie expressed the following view to Governor Henry Smith: "The Salvation of Texas depends in great measure in keeping Bejar out of the hands of the enemy. It serves as the frontier picquet guard . . . . Col. Neill & Myself have come to the solemn resolution that we will rather die in these ditches than give it up to the enemy."

    - www.thealamo.org/myths.html
     
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    My sister and I like to say to each other,

    "Remember the Alamo! . . . Hey, why not?"

    You might also want to remember the Maine. ;)

    Native Mainer. :D
     
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    The Alamo...wasn't that the old Spanish mission in Texas that a handful Mexican insurgents rebeled against the rightful rule of a God ordained (Roman 13) Mexican government?

    What do you call someone that swears allegience and fidelity to a sovereign government then rebels by hostile acts. I think the Mexican term at the time was probably traitor. Today they are known as "freedom fighters" and "American heros". Interesting. [​IMG]
     
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    How about our "heroes" from the American Revolution? I mean, come on, tea? I would have been with the Brits on that.
     
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    They will always be heroes in my book. [​IMG]
     
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    In 1762 the Church of England came out with
    a new version of the King James Version bible -
    every book had tax for the king of England.
    In 1769 the Church of England came out with
    a new version of the King James Version bible -
    every book had tax for the king of England.
    By 1776 the colonies were in full revolt.
    Part of the revolt was that the colonists
    printed their own versions of the King James
    Bible which were NOT authorized by the
    King of England (but most of which said
    'Authorized Version' (AV) on them.
    Collectively I call them the "KJV1769 Edition".


    It wasn't tea, it was the Bible tax.
     
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    They will always be heroes in my book. [​IMG] </font>[/QUOTE]Okay, but can you answer why without resorting to propaganda?

    Remember Romans 13 seems to forbid active defience against a God ordained authority which would have been the Mexican government that many willingly became citizens. There are no exception clauses in the scripture to support the glorious cause of independence, freedom and liberty from an oppressive "regime" that I have been able to find. So, at this time I can only conclude that not only were these people in active opposition to their own government they were also in opposition to God's word. The only reason they're heros today is because they won their independence from Mexico with the aid of a successful propagnda campaign then and continuing right through to this day. Without all the propaganda they were only a bunch of Mexican rebels. [​IMG]
     
  19. KenH

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    This is not a perfect world, poncho. Just ask Cisco.

    The use of Romans 13 has been thoroughly discussed on this board concerning the American Revolution. I see no reason to rehash that debate in this thread.
     
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    So, in other words you can't defend the actions of the Mexican rebels without using propaganda. Just as I thought. :D
     

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