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Mark Driscoll to speak at Rick Warren conference.

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  1. annsni

    annsni Well-Known Member
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    Don't you love when people are stuck in the past and don't allow repentance and change? I feel sorry for your pastor and those around you.
     
    #61 annsni, Jan 4, 2010
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    You don't need to feel sorry for me!!! I feel sorry for you and those that are listening to such garbage!!!:laugh::jesus:
     
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    Sounds like a disqualified person to me!!! If that's what you call repentance I've got a bridge to sell you.:laugh::jesus:
     
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    Absolutely! Mark Driscoll is a fantastic preacher and dead-on bible centered! I can't underetimate how fantastic he is! :thumbsup:
     
    #64 Johnv, Jan 4, 2010
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    Dead on Bible centered? So you believe it is a sin to abstain from the consumption of alcohol, as he does?
     
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    I got a bridge to sell you also!!!:laugh::jesus:
     
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    I don't know the man that wrote this article, but this would be news to me also.:smilewinkgrin::godisgood:
     
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    It certainly does show some bias IMO which would make me question much of what he wrote in that first article.
     
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    It is a sin to call something a sin that is not a sin. When he studied, he found that he was being legalistic and in direct disobedience to the Lord when he was forcing himself and others to abstain from alcohol for wrong reasons. I know Mark doesn't drink currently (atleast I heard that in one of his sermons), so he is still abstaining from the consumption of alcohol but for the right reasons now rather than the wrong reasons. Remember that the Bible says that anything not done in faith is sin - so he was correct in his calling the abstaining from alcohol a sin for him.
     
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    I also haven't listened to Mr. Driscoll. We heard a lot about him at the last SBC so I probably have a bias against him also. It's usually worse when you hear bad things about someone without hearing them.:wavey::godisgood:
     
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    That's not what he said. He said that the way he was abstaining from alcohol was sinful (he was engaging in a legalism). He was referring to himself alone, and was not making a general statement about abstinence in general.
     
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    Where does he say he was engaging in legalism. Also, I always thought legalism was extra-biblical mandates....dancing, cards, lottery tickets....since the Bible has some stern warnings about alcohol, you have to do some twisting to say abstinence is the sin. Pride, perhaps. Worldliness ? Definately. But not abstinence.

    And I'm still waiting for justification of brew classes in church.
     
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    No, legalism referrs to making adherence to the law the standard for righteousness or salvation. For example, not allowing someone to work on the sabbath is legalistic, even though scripture commands believers to rest on the sabbath. Likewise, not allowing the consumption of alcohol can be considered legalistic, especially when it's used as a litmus test for determining a person's righteousness.
    While unusual, there's certainly nothing unscriptural about it.
     
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    I don't believe brew classes are just unusual. If something doesn't honor Christ then it doesn't belong in a Christ-centered Church. I'm not sure just how a brew class would be Christ-centered. You're gonna have to explain that one.:tongue3::godisgood:
     
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    Potlucks don't honor Christ. Yet the word "Baptist" and "potluck" are practically synonymous.
     
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    There is none righteous, no not one. Legalism is extra-biblical mandates. And I ask you again, where did he mention legalism ?

    That is baloney. The bible is clear what is to be preached. You are just finding excuses for this guy.
     
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    I've been to potlucks. They are served after the service. And they absolutely do honor Christ, as modeled after the many times he broke bread with people, after services. With no alcohol. Nice try.
     
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    Then, by your definition, requiring abstinence as a matter of righteousness is legalism.
    We're not talking about what is to be preached, that's a different topic. The question was about brewry class on church grounds. There's nothing unscriptural in and of itself about it.
     
    #78 Johnv, Jan 4, 2010
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    #79 annsni, Jan 4, 2010
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    Annsi, those people have already decided. Nothing will change their minds.
     
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