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Marriage in Bible times

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by Gina B, Nov 28, 2004.

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  1. Gina B

    Gina B Active Member

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    I have a question that I'd like answered. I'm not kidding or attempting to offend anyone, and would like serious replies only, minus any "I'm shocked and appaled" type comments.

    When I was joining the LDS church I asked about the truth of the church believing that Jesus was married and may have had children. Later I found documents from the Presidents that verified that this was a possible belief.
    At first I was extremely offended and felt that such a belief was absolutely insane and offensive and shouldn't even be spoken, but then I accepted it as a possibility.
    One of the reasons for this line of thinking that I was told was that it was expected for people in that time and area to be married by a certain age, and that a man not being married would have been cause for people to rail against Jesus. The LDS church says that since not being married was never mentioned in the Bible by those who opposed Jesus, it is most reasonable to believe he was.
    Is it true that marriage was the expectation and that it was cause for people speak against Jesus if he wasn't married?
    Why is the thought of him being married so offensive? Wasn't he on earth to live as a human, and isn't marriage a good thing? What would have been so unbelievable about him living and experiencing the normal ways of life like other human beings, as he did in most every other aspect of his life on earth?
    Gina
     
    #1 Gina B, Nov 28, 2004
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    Not shocked or appauled, not sure anything would shock me or appaul me coming from the mormon church, so don't worry, I won't include any of those comments.

    I spose the proof that He wasn't married is that he lived a perfect (sinless)life, not a husband I know has done that :) --- JOKE LADIES! :)

    Since Christ was the offspring of the Spirit and Mary a human, for Christ to have had children would have brought about others like Christ -which we have no record of - no matter how that might excite the mormon theologian.

    To use fuzzy logic - that he had to do everything we do to be like us - you would want to say that He also got drunk, murdered, committed adultry, smoked pot and been involved in inside trading - that is to be like man.
     
    #2 exscentric, Nov 28, 2004
  3. dianetavegia

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    If Christ married, then He would have also had to be fruitful and multiply... which would create a half God child.

    The LDS have a lot of really off the wall beliefs and this is just one of them.
     
    #3 dianetavegia, Nov 28, 2004
  4. Gina B

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    Was Jesus only half human?
    Gina
     
    #4 Gina B, Nov 28, 2004
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    He was as much God as if He were never man and He was as much man as if He were never God. The God/man, completely both.
     
    #5 exscentric, Nov 28, 2004
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    In the beginning, man was to have one wife. Period.

    The Bride of Jesus is the Church. [​IMG]
     
    #6 LadyEagle, Nov 28, 2004
  7. dianetavegia

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    1/2 of 1/2 is 1/4th, Gina
     
    #7 dianetavegia, Nov 28, 2004
  8. Dr. Bob

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    100% God and 100% man. Church fathers argued over that and kicked out the Arians many centuries ago!!

    The weakest argument (logic) is one from silence. Men at 30-35 were to be married, no one condemned Jesus for NOT being married, therefore he was married.

    So many fallacies in such that I couldn't even use it in logic class as a BAD example!

    But we ARE talking LDS, right? Logic is out the window . . . [​IMG]
     
    #8 Dr. Bob, Nov 28, 2004
  9. dianetavegia

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    Exactly Dr. Bob and yet they are able to pull in so many. Very Sad.
     
    #9 dianetavegia, Nov 28, 2004
  10. Gina B

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    Is it true that marriage was the expectation and that it was cause for people speak against Jesus if he wasn't married?
    Why is the thought of him being married so offensive?
     
    #10 Gina B, Nov 28, 2004
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    Gina,

    I think Diane summed up the reason why it is offensive right here in this post.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #11 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 28, 2004
  12. Joseph_Botwinick

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    I believe John speaks about the idea that if everything that was witnessed or that occurred were to be written down, all the volumes in the world could not contain it. Further, I think there may be different expectations for different sects of Jews as social norms. For example, Nazerites were not allowed to cut their hair, drink wine, etc...

    I think I heard somewhere that Pharisees were not allowed to be married?

    I don't know this for sure. But, it is possible that this may have played a role in this issue.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #12 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 28, 2004
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    No, it didn't. It doesn't answer the question of what the beliefs were about marriage during that time like I asked.
    It doesn't explain how two humans could create a half god. Christ didn't come to earth as half a man or a quarter of a man, he came im the spiritual capacity of God and the physical form of man, didn't he?
    It doesn't answer why the though of marriage is so offensive to us.
    Gina
     
    #13 Gina B, Nov 28, 2004
  14. Joseph_Botwinick

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    Gina,

    Please also read my follow up post.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #14 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 28, 2004
  15. Gina B

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    Thanks, was typing while you posted that.
    I'm assuming that the lds church is wrong in their reasoning, but would like to be sure for my own sake as well as those I talk to.
    So, if anyone here knows what the customs were, that is my MAIN concern. What was the custom and expectation regarding marriage for someone of Jesus day and station?
     
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    As I said, I think it was different for different sects of Israelites.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
    #16 Joseph_Botwinick, Nov 28, 2004
  17. dianetavegia

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    1 Corinthians 7:32 But I want you to be without care. He who is unmarried cares for the things of the Lord--how he may please the Lord. 33 But he who is married cares about the things of the world--how he may please his wife.

    Gina, I never said Jesus was 1/4 th man or 1/4 th God. You need to read my answer again. I said the children of Jesus would have been 1/2 God... which would make Jesus fully God. Then you asked if Jesus was 1/2 God and 1/2 man. My answer was that would make his children 1/4th. I said that to point out that Jesus was fully man and fully God at once... as Dr. Bob explained. Dr. Bob also pointed out that men married at 30-35 and Jesus began his ministry at 30, dying at 33.

    Marriage is offensive to me because Jesus would have deserted his wife and children for his ministry which is unscriptural. Leave/ Cleave only to her.

    1 Timothy 5:8 But if anyone does not provide for his own, and especially for those of his household, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

    Even the insinuation that Jesus married and 'cared for the things of this world' is offensive to me!
     
    #17 dianetavegia, Nov 28, 2004
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    quote:

    It doesn't explain how two humans could create a half god.


    Because Christ wasn't just human. He was also fully god. What kind of spirit would the offspring of such a pairing contain? Would that being be sinful and in need of salvation?

    Also if Christ was married on earth, would that not corrupt the union between Himself and the Church? The Church is called many things but never the "Second Wife".

    Perhaps the thought of Christ as a married man is so offensive to us because it offends the Holy Spirit within us.
     
    #18 menageriekeeper, Nov 28, 2004
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    #19 rsr, Nov 28, 2004
  20. dianetavegia

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    Gina, are you really giving them any credence at all?
     
    #20 dianetavegia, Nov 28, 2004
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