Marriage truths that aren't talked about much

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  1. Olivencia

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    Husbands
    Proverbs 5:19 shahgah (shaygay) states that the husband is to be exhilarated, ravished, intoxicated with love for his wife. Ephesians 5:25 commands him to love his wife as Christ loved the church and he is not to be bitter against her (Colossians 3:19). He is to honor her (1 Peter 3:7).

    1. Are you ravished with love for your wife?
    2. Do you attempt to love your wife as Christ loved the church?
    3. Do you hold ANY KIND of bitterness against your wife?
    4. Do you have a special honor for your wife in your heart?
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    Wives
    Ephesians 5:24 commands the wife to be submissive to her husband in everything (barring sin Acts 5:29). A few verses later we read in Ephesians 5:33 that the wife is to have a godly fear (phobew) for her husband for he is her master (1 Peter 3:6). The wife is to have a gentle and quiet spirit (1 Peter 3:4) and to speak the law of kindness (Proverbs 31:26).

    1. Are you willing to submit to your husband in everything?
    2. Do you have a godly fear for your husband?
    3. Do you treat your husband as the God appointed master of your marriage?
    4. Do you have a gentle and quiet spirit speaking the law of kindness?
     
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    Then there's the 11th Commandment: If Momma Ain't Happy; Ain't NOBODY happy! :laugh:

    Seriously, what do you mean by "God appointed master"? What does 'master' mean? If anybody knows Greek, that would be great.
     
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    The Greek word is 'kurios'. It means "Lord" as in the Lord Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 1:3). It can also mean "sir" (Revelation 7:14) and it can mean "master" (1 Peter 3:6).
    In Peter 3 Peter is writing that Christian wives are to have the qualities that Sarah and the holy women of old had in relation to their husbands.
     
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    That's none of your business...;)

    Yes, I have often been told to go bear my cross down that aisle and get the pickles she asked for.

    A very good question for many men.

    Isn't it interesting that the NT talks more to men about marriage than women.

    I like the word "respect" for submission. Seems to translate better in my Greek work.

    The emphasis is good here. Notice how the Godly fear is "for" not "of."

    The word leader seems more appropriate imho. The husband is to be the "head" or kephale which means leader. I think the term "master" implies a slave relationship. My wife isn't my slave. She is my equal in Christ whom I lead in humility and grace.

    Yeah, the fruits of the spirit are necessary for every relationship, particularly marriage. :thumbs:
     
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    1. Godly fear is to be directed "to" her husband.
    2. Several Greek lexicons use submit/submission.
    3. The word "master" is more appropriate. Greek lexicons and the context of the passage demonstrate this truth. My wife is my ontological and soteriological equal but functionally in God's eyes she is not.

    Thanks
     
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    Respectfully, I don't see that in Scripture. The passage you cited (Eph. 5:33) isn't about wives fearing their husbands. The word φοβηται doesn't mean fear, it is better translated "respect" which almost every major contemporary translation does.

    Yeah, but in my Greek studies I just plain disagree with those lexicons. :)

    Well we should probably respectfully disagree here. It is probably more semantical than anything, but I do also note the doctrinal distinction. Thanks for the reply!:thumbs:
     
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    I don't know how all these Greek lexicons can have it wrong....


    A. Ephesians 5:24 Submit/Obey
    1. Thayer - hupotassw (Strong's #5293) - to subject one's self, to obey (page 645). Thayer cites Ephesians 5:24 and 1 Peter 3:1, 5.
    2. EDNT 3:408, "subordination, obedience, wives toward their husbands (Col 3:18; Eph 5:24b; 1 Peter 3:1, 5; Titus 2:5).
    3. EDNT 3:395, "Sarah's obedience toward Abraham is presented as a model for wives (->6)". Later (same page)...."Peter concludes its admonitions to wives (3:1-6) with a reference to Sarah, who according to v.6 obediently subordinated herself to her husband for she called him her lord (Gen 18:12).
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    B. Ephesians 5:33 "phobew"
    1. TDNT 9:217 - "Certainly these are to expect love from their husbands rather than anger (Eph. 5:25, 28, 33) and yet they are still to fear in subordination, for they owe this to their exemplary walk (1 Pt. 3:2) or to their husbands ws tw kuriw (Eph. 5:22, cf. 33).
    2. Danker - citing Ephesians 5:33, to have a profound measure of respect for, (have) reverence, respect, w. special ref. to fear of offending (A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature, page 1061).
    3. Vine: (b) to show reverential fear (1) ...Eph. 5:33 (fear - phobew, page 415).
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    C. 1 Peter 3:6
    1. Kittel - The superiority in which there must be submission is implied in kurios when 1 Pt. 3:6 points out that Sarah calls Abraham "lord' (an allusion to Gn. 18:12 LXX)... (TDNT 3:1086, kurios).
    2. Kittel - In marriage Christianity demands the subordination of the wife (hupotassesthai tois idiois andrasin, Eph. 5:22, 24; Col. 3:18; 1 Pt. 3:1, 5 [v.6 : kurios]) but also unselfish love from the husband such as that shown by Christ for the Church (Eph. 5:25, 28; Col. 3:19; 1 Pt. 3:7). (TDNT 1:362, 363, aner).
    3. Brown: In 1 Pet. 3:6 her obedient attitude to her husband is set out as the pattern which Christian wives should follow (NIDNTT 1:80, Abraham - subdivided Sarah).

    Thanks for your responses :)
     
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    Are we grading these then handing them at the end?
     
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    God's word is always an A+.
    How much one is willing to accept what God's word says/means varies from person to person.
     
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    My favorite truth is not from the Bible: Men marry women thinking they will never change. Women marry men thinking they will change. Both are wrong.
     
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    This is a great thread. I have been married 32 years. This is just my opinion, but I think all eight questions can be answered yes if Christ is in the marriage, and you are both each others best friend in the deepest sense of the word.
     
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    So are the old testament marriage truths not valid anymore? :)
     
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    These Truths that aren't talked about much are talked about all the time in my circles.
     
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    [derogatory remarks deleted]
     
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    Considering he was under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit and therefore he gave us the actual word of God for us to obey, I fail to see how it is funny.

    Besides we do not know if Paul was not married. He may have been. He simply was not married at the time of the writing of 1 Corinthians.
     
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    [inflammatory remarks deleted]

    Was the marriage truths in the old testament written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit?
     
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    I believe that taken in context, Paul says it may be best not to marry because of the great persecution the church was going through at the time. But he never forbids marriage.
     
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    Paul would have had to be married to be in the sect of Pharisees he was in. It is most probable that his wife either died, or deserted him after his conversion.

    The Christian ethic for marriage actually begins in Genesis where a husband is told to 'leave and cleave' to his wife. The two are made one and whatsoever therefore he would do for himself, he is to do for his wife as well. A return to the Biblical roles of both husbands and wife - fathers and mothers - would go a long way in restoring our society.
     
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    Not exactly, but he does say that you should only marry as a way to avoid fornification, because "it is better to marry than to burn".
     
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    No, he does not say that you should marry "ONLY" to avoid fornication. He says if you can't control your passions (burning with desire) and desire to marry someone, then go ahead and get married.

    peace to you:praying:
     

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