Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

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    Matt 1:21

    21And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

    Scripture could not be plainer than this, as to whom Jesus Christ was born to save from their sins, whom He is a Saviour to, His People !

    Not the whole world of mankind, for many of them are not His People, but the devils children, the children of the wicked one Matt 13:38-39

    38The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one;

    39The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels.

    The tare and the wheat are both by nature children of wrath, that is depraved, and sinful.

    By nature you cannot tell the tare [children of the devil] and the wheat [ children of God by election] apart

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    29But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

    Again, thats because the tare and the wheat are very similar in behaviour by nature, both are sinful.

    Being a Sheep, or wheat, or Gods people, does not mean they are not as others, sinners by nature.

    Jesus said of the tares, the enemy that sowed them was the devil.

    Now these people whom Jesus is saying that the devil sowed them into the world, are not the people Christ came to save. He came to save these Matt 13:37

    37He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man;

    He came to save the good seed, that He himself soweth, the Son of man.

    The good seed is the elect as they stood in Adam in the beginning, remember after Adam was created, that He was pronounced very good, and He was said to be created in the image and likeness of God.

    The Tares are the devils seed, remember when God told the Serpent [ the devil] that he had a seed ? Gen 3:15 so He [ the devil] is the enemy that sowed them.

    For God never Loved those whom the devil sowed into the world, neither did Jesus come to save them from their sins, He did not give His life for the tares, the children of the wicked one. Show me a verse of scripture that declares that Jesus came to save them whom the devil sowed into the world !

    In Jn 15:13 we read this:

    13Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    The devil nor his children are His friends, neither is the elect by nature, but He is their friend because they had before the world began, chosen in Him.

    Now who are the people Christ came to save from their sins ? Who was the friend of God ?

    2 Chron 20:7

    7Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?

    The Seed of Abraham thy Friend !

    Isa 41:8

    8But thou, Israel, art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend.

    James 2:23

    23And the scripture was fulfilled which saith, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God.

    Hence, Jesus people whom He shall save from their sins, is the seed of Abraham, for it was for this people only that He came into flesh and blood and identified with

    Heb 2:16

    16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham [His friend].
     
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    The elect/his people ARE all those who have trusted in him, placed faith in jesus to be saved!
     
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    The elect are those whom the Holy Spirit has and will regenerate.
     
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    That is works salvation. Because you teach that one is not Justified before God, soley upon the Death of Christ, which the Resurrection attests to Rom 4:25

    25Who was delivered for[because of] our offences, and was raised again for[because of] our justification.
     
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    There is no justification before creation any more than there is glorification before creation any more than there is a physical literal material creation before creation except in the mind of heretics who embrace pantheism.

    The only justification the Bible knows of is by faith. The elect are those the Father has chosen "TO" salvation not "BECAUSE OF" salvation as you teach.

    You mishandle the scriptures and pervert the true gospel of Jesus Christ.
     
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    the bib

    Yes it is, God never imputed the sins of the elect unto them, because they were in Christ before the world began 2 Tim 1:9

    9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    There is never any condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus Rom 8:1

    1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

    All the condemnation they incurred in time, in Adam Rom 5:18, was not laid to their Charge, but Christ's ! God viewed them as Righteous, Justified. The Only way God will not impute sin is if He reckons one Just ! Now He reckoned them Just before Creation ! Any True Gospel Preacher sent from God would know this !!!
     
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    Note that Matt. 1:21 says "He will save His people from their sins". It does not say that He will save His people from their sinful condition.

    Man is not born in a sinful condition, but must be saved from the sins the man commits because of his sinful nature from Adam, after he is old enough to make choices.
     
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    So has my 21 month old toddler sinned yet?
     
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    Is he old enough to make rational choices on his own concerning sins of right and wrong? If so, yes. If not, no.
     
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    God still has pronounced upon all descendants of Adam through his curse upon Sin, so all of us are found by him to be sinners, and are already been declared guilty!

    God has judged us as being sinners, and also judges individual sins commited due to be sinners and choicing to sin...
     
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    Not according to Matt. 1:21. If the above were true, Matt. 1:21 would have said "from their sinful condition". But Matt. 1:21 says "from their sins".
     
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    Christ shall save His People from their sins, but that which was born of the flesh will not be saved until the Second Coming. That is why Paul says of that fleshly man Rom 7:24-25

    24O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?

    25I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

    The believer has not been delivered from his Body of Death yet, though it has been weakened !
     
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    We are all guilty before God before we even choose to sin, as our sin natures are made visible by acts of sin, but God already saw and knew us as sinners before that, as we are born estranged and seperated from Him!
     
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    It seems you are confusing our sin natures as a result of Adam's sin, with our committing of sins. We commit sins because of our sin nature. Our sin nature is not what makes us guilty; it is our committing of sins that mkes us guilty. As Matt. 1:21 says, Jesus came to save us from our sins, not from our sin nature which causes us to sin.

    Nothing is gained by us repeating the same thing over and over again. So I will sign off.
     
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    Do you hold that we are NOT accountible to God, that dio not owe to Him a sin debt until if/when we actually choose to sin?

    that He did NOT reckon to us the same judgement placed on adam, that in him were were born seperated from God and spiritually dead?
     
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    Hence, Jesus people whom He shall save from their sins, is the seed of Abraham, for it was for this people only that He came into flesh and blood and identified with

    Heb 2:16

    16For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham [His friend].

    Now it will be pointed out that the seed of Abraham, that is Christ people whom He shall save from their sins, is not limited to ethnic jews, but to all [both jew and gentile] who will believe in Jesus Christ.

    Gal 3:29

    29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise

    These are also the heirs of promise and children of promise Rom 9:8

    8That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

    One of biggest blunders in our day is to think that ethnic jews, because of their race, are the people of God.

    The seed of Abraham that Christ came to save and whom He identified with, were children of promise, and was comprised of ethnic diversity of every nation.

    If we look back to the time when Abraham's name was changed to Abraham from Abram in Gen 17:5

    5Neither shall thy name any more be called Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.

    We find that it was changed because God made him a Father of not one nation, but of many Nations !

    Now if he was declared to be their Father, it goes without reason they were declared to be his seed.

    So how did Abraham have a seed of all these different ethnicities ? Because they had been [before the creation of the world] chosen in Christ Abraham's True seed. Gal 3:16

    16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    The ethnic jews mistake [ even those who became true believers in Christ as peter] was that they thought they were the only ethnic group that was Abraham's seed.

    Peter preached the gospel to some jews in Acts 3:24-25


    24Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.

    25Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.

    But peter did not realize that the same promise belonged to gentiles as Paul pointed out in Gal 3:8

    8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    Both preachers peter and paul are referring back to the same declaration in Gen 12:3

    3And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

    And it is sad today to say the same delusion still is prevalent in religion of our day.

    It is clear however, that God gave Abraham a seed of diverse nations in Gen 17:5, for that is when He first was called Abraham by God.

    Thats Paul's argument in Rom 4:10-12

    10How was it then reckoned? when he was in circumcision, or in uncircumcision? Not in circumcision, but in uncircumcision.


    11And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had yet being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised; that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:

    12And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised.

    God gave Abraham the promises while in uncircumcision [ non ethnic jew] that He might be the Father of all them that believe [ Gen 17:5]

    This is the seed of Abraham, that Jesus identified with Heb 2:16, that is who His people are that He came to save Matt 1:21.
     
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    yes, as ONLY those jews who have received by Faith yeshua as their messiah are truely "children of Abraham" by evidence of their faith!
     
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    You have not disproven nothing I have stated, not even attempted, you just keep cpming with your work salvation, your accursed gospel !
     
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    Apostle paul cites Abraham as the father of "ALL who belive in yeshua!"

    He was credited by God, thru his faith...

    David also cites blessings upon one whosesins not held against him, because of his faith...

    The ONLY Gospel asks/demands sinners to come to faith in Christ, and receive Him and eternal life....

    Where did you get yours from?
     
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    You do not believe that Jesus Christ Death in and of itself saved anyone ! You have nothing in common with Paul or David or Myself !
     

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