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McCain doesn't rule out preemptive war

Discussion in 'Political Debate & Discussion' started by KenH, Apr 12, 2008.

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  1. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    #1 KenH, Apr 12, 2008
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    Like the others aren't? C'mon Ken you know better. The only thing we'll get with a Clinton or Obama is a softer more gentle approach to NWO order enslavement but it'll still be NWO enslavement. Doesn't matter which side brings it to us to outcome will be the same.
     
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    Poncho, if Bob Barr wins the LP presidential nomination will you be voting for him?
     
    #3 KenH, Apr 12, 2008
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    ==Anyone who believes that statement is not dealing with the facts. History shows clearly that McCain has very real differences with George W Bush and would be a very different president than George W Bush. On the other hand, the unexperienced and often naive Barak Obama is likely to continue Bush's bumbling foreign policy. Sure he would bumble in the opposite direction, but he would still bumble. And that we just cannot afford.

    As for preemptive war, nothing can be ruled out in a dangerous world with dangerous enemies. War should always be a measure of absolute last resort, and preemptive war should be even more of a last resort, but nothing can be ruled out. If we know a country or group is days, weeks, or months away from attacking the United States or American interests abroad we cannot sit around and wait for Obama to call a conference and hope everyone will play nice. The mistake the unexperienced Bush made was moving too fast. The mistake the unexperienced and naive Obama would make would be moving too slow.
     
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    President Bush had lots of experience around him whose advice he followed, such as Vice President Cheney and Secretary Rumsfeld and look at the mess that their experienced advice has made of things.
     
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    Just what mess have they caused?
     
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    Afghanistan is a mess. Iraq is a mess. And Iran is stronger than it has been since before Christ Jesus was born in Bethlehem in influence because the Bush administration removed Saddam Hussein from power.
     
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    Anyone who doesn't understand the Afghanistan is a mess and that Iraq is a mess and that Iran has grown in influence during the Bush administration is drinking the Bush kool-aid and he/she should really stop doing so and come back to reality.
     
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    Your words are hyperbole and nothing more. The coolaid is your to be sure.
     
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    If Iraq is not a mess, then why do we still have 140,000 troops there?

    If Afghanistan is not a mess, then why is the Taliban holding its own in the southern part of that country and why is al Qaeda regaining strength in western Pakistan?

    If Iran is not growing in influence, then why does the Bush-McCain crowd constantly saber rattle toward Iran?
     
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    This does not indicate the "mess" you attempt to espouse. The improvements and progress is undeniable.

    We cannot go into Pakistan, but then you know that. It is silly to blame that on the President.

    Because they are trying to acquire nukes. Nothing can be proven to assert a "growing indfluence". Iran has been supporting terrorism in the region specifically toward Isreal for years. The President did not create that.
     
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    1) If there wasn't a mess then there would be no need for progress?

    2) After all of the billions of dollars that we have given Pakistan we can't do anything to stop al Qaeda from continuing to grow there?

    3) Our latest National Intelligence Estimate says it is not doing so, and you have no proof to dispute that.
     
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    Uhh, One doesnt indicate the other necessarily.

    That has nothing to do with the issue.

    Really! Then why all the Un resolutions and sanctions against Iran? hello!
     
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    What about all of the U.N. resolutions against Israel? Do you give those the same credence? If you are going to us the U.N. as proof against Iran then you have to do the same as proof against Israel.
     
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    Can you answer the question?
     
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    There has never been any proof provided that Iran is attempting to build a nuclear weapon regardless of how many resolutions that the Bush administration has persuaded the U.N. to pass.
     
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    So the President controls the UN now? More dillusion to support revision.
     
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    It is delusional to think that the U.S. has no influence in the U.N.
     
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    Really? I thought that because of the President we had lost all crdibility in the world and no one wanted to work with us? Guess not.
     
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