McCain / Palin inciting violence against Barack Obama.

Twomen.

My neologism for the day - Two-men is the plural for a-men.

 

With due respect LeBuick what you are espousing is simply pure idiocy and propagandistic.



1) You are purposefully jumping on the liberal press band wagon by trying to depict McCain's rallies as out of control. "the FBI are investigating media allegations...."
I have watched numerous of these events and heard interviews from ordinary citizens who participated who state these depictions are ridiculous. Irrespective, it happens on both sides. The greatest threat of violence will occur by liberals if Obama actually loses a close election! It will be the stolen election hype all over again but considering he is a black minority it is more likely trouble will occur from that.

BTW, they are regularly having to remove nutty heckling liberal Obama supporters from McCain events as at the Republican Convention. Well documented. How many nutty conservative hecklers have they had to remove from Obama events and please give sources, please?




2) In regards to your "family values" statement which is outlandish. How can a Christian support Obama who supports abortions at every stage including infanticide? He says children can be a "punishment". God says they are a blessing! He also supports, as policy decisions/propositions show, many gay issues and is supported by the gay community. Says it all. Obama believes there are "many" ways to Heaven. Jesus says He is the "only" way.

In regards to McCain and abortion. McCain made the following statement in 1999 in regards to Roe v. Wade,

He surprised some conservatives and right to life advocates because of this poorly articulated statement. He has a long standing stance in opposition to Roe v. Wade and abortions. He offered clarity and reaffirmed his stance a few days later "as president, I would work toward its repeal.". http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/politics/campaigns/wh2000/stories/mccain082499.htm

Your statements LeBuick are completely deceptive. Was that purposeful???? The only gage a Christian needs in regards to this issue is by the abortion murder advocates NARAL. McCain gets 0%, Hussein Obama gets 100%. Please note McCain get all thumbs down from this NARAL pdf fact sheet. http://www.naral.org/assets/files/mccain_fact_sheet.pdf



3)

Rediculous and shallow to boot. Again, Obama supports abortions at every stage and infanticide. He believes people should have the right to kill their unborn and even newly born to avoid them being as he states "punishment". Obama supports gay issues.


I guess supporting Obama and his stances are somehow more "respectfull"?


In Christ

 

Actually, after watching McCain call for respectful disagreement at a recent rally where Obama was called an Arab I am going parallel to his view. He indicated things were getting out of hand.

Again, the fact that your vote can obviously be had by a political candidate with a box of pro-life bumper stickers is fairly shallow of you to be out attacking others. If that were the only page in the Bible then I would say you had a good point but since the Bible goes on to speak against more than murder then I think you're viewing God's word through a very small glass goblet. It would behoove you to read and defend the entire book and not just one page.

This looks like the same point as #2. You can't shame me into changing my vote nor will I surrender my convictions because of a person defending one page of the Bible.

If all you have against Obama is his position on abortion then I think you should see this clip of your candidate McCain. He hasn't been exactly a solid advocate for your cause and suspiciously changed his view for this election.

Or even this quote about Palin as she works to appear more "feminist"...

 

The people who are the real hero's in this are the people who provide support to the mother especially if she is unwed and young. The other hero's are those who adopt the child.

 

Needless abortion must be stopped in the U.S. But that is not the only issue in this campaign. How do the Republican candidates rate on offering a viable plan for improving the healthcare plan in this country? We're currently number 42 in the world just barely above Cuba in delivery of adequate health care to all of our citizens. That's going to get worse given the damage the Bush administration has done to the national financial condition.

Baby boomers will be retiring en mass soon and it looks like not only Social Security but also Medicare will no longer be there because of the disastrous Bush policies. This is more serious because companies are discontinuing medical benefits for their retired employees. One company that I know well, AT&T, hasn't offered retirement medical to any employees hired after 2000.

There are other aspects of the issue of Sanctity of Life than abortion. Other than health care, there is the issue of a war in the middle east which is unjust and has killed hundreds of thousands of people (Iraqis are human being too.) We need to address all the aspects of Sanctity of Life and not just focus on one even though that one is very important.

 

You keep repeating this misinformation even though it has been pointed out to you over and over that the article that you are referring to said that the U.S is 42nd in LIFE EXPECTANCY not health care.

That you continue to repeat this lie/misrepresentation again and again causes me to discount everything that you have to say on every topic.

 

:applause: :applause: :applause:

Didn't want this one to go unappreciated...

 

Considering how much of our GDP is spent on health care we should have the best health care delivery system in the world with everyone covered. We aren't even close.

But, in an optimistic outlook, I expect improvement if we elect Barack Obama as president.

 

First, some sources would be nice, although I know much about Cuba, and anything that suggests they have us beat in healthcare is absolutely nuts.

Second, would you mind showing me in the Constitution where it is any President's responsibility to take care of the nation's financial condition?

Bush, and other presidents should stick to their constitutional roles.

 

World Health Organization (WHO) rankings:

1 France
2 Italy
3 San Marino
4 Andorra
5 Malta
6 Singapore
7 Spain
8 Oman
9 Austria
10 Japan
11 Norway
12 Portugal
13 Monaco
14 Greece
15 Iceland
16 Luxembourg
17 Netherlands
18 United Kingdom
19 Ireland
20 Switzerland
21 Belgium
22 Colombia
23 Sweden
24 Cyprus
25 Germany
26 Saudi Arabia
27 United Arab Emirates
28 Israel
29 Morocco
30 Canada
31 Finland
32 Australia
33 Chile
34 Denmark
35 Dominica
36 Costa Rica
37 United States of America
http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cach...+us+healthcare+world&hl=cs&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=cz

 

You sure use strong words against LeBuick when you not only misinterpret them, but you are just as wrong. It is obvious that you have bought into the dillusional mindset that there is a difference between Democrats and Republicans on this issue of abortion.

All you can do is say McCain said this, or Bush said that. They do, every four years, and do NOTHING. So which is more evil, to have in your platform that abortion is ok, or to pretend to care about the sanctity of life, and use the lie to pander for Christian voters very four years?

So which is more evil, to be the party that seeks to protect an evil lifestyle and promote same sex marriage, or another party that pounds the podium every four years about morals, family values, and the virtues of traditional marriage, then one of their leaders plays footsie at the airport and another sends emails to his male pages?

Which is worse, to say you are going to raise taxes and spend more, or promise a balanced budget in 2000 and become the biggest spender of pork in American history with record debt?

Please explain the wildly successful Republican record on immigration control, Social Security Reform, civil liberties, winning a war in a timely manner, picking competent cabinet members, and the crowning jewel, keeping the federal government out of the free market.

The alliance between Bush, Obama, McCain, and the Democratic leaders to shove this 700 billion down our throats, no 850 billion with pork to buy votes, ought to make each and every American's blood boil.

Sir, you post aids and abets the liberal cause, as your frame of reference is either going to put a liberal or flaming liberal back in office with the same result as the last eight years.

 

First of all, as a member of this board, I am offended at the OP's own allegations contained within this quote that indicts these forums, its' membership, and the policy of its postings are such that incite to violence.

Secondly the title of the topic is subjective at best, or otherwise, down right misleading.

Third, another poster presented the possibility of 'plants' or agent provacateurs appearing at some of these meetings with a deliberate agenda to confuse, disrupt, or cause disparagement upon a candidate. Wolves in the midst appearing as sheep.... until they get the attention and focus of the news and cameras..... but clearly no persons of recognized importance to the candidate whos function they are attending. We, as Christian's are supposed to be wise to such devices.

Finally, no candidate running is going to say he's anti-family.... But promotion of the sodomites agenda, abortion, abortion funding, and particularly late term abortion, and the killing of a baby born (whether intended or not as a product of an abortion procedure), ..........Christians wake up! these are NOT family values!

We already see what activism is by the courts like in California ........ Obama wants a more active court regarding rule and change of law!

What about your children?????
The sodomites have only two ways of reproducing...... recruitment or artificial insemination.

 

Hello LeBuick,
It never ceases to amaze me the degree liberals will go in order to mislead or spout blatant lies. This is sad to see on what is supposed to be a Christian forum from professing Christians.


After my post to you in this thread, I recalled several debates I had a few years ago in regards to the sanctity of life: IE: Abortions and Life. In those debates I felt you ignored and diminished Scripture. You also misrepresented me several times and resorted to telling a blatant lie. Your posting within this thread are not surprising given that. I recall you profess to be a Pastor?

Well, your depiction here is drastically different than what you have been espousing and agreeing with in the OP. However, please do provide factual links on occasion so people can put such into context. The OP states "McCain/Palin inciting violence against Barack:

Wow, that is a real picture of upheaval. You followed up by declaring "The country is beginning to look like the violent 60's and 70's. I read where an African American camera or sound man was verbally assaulted. Conservatives are getting mad at McCain thinking he is not attacking tough enough with Ayres and Wright.....If only someone had a large mirror so America can see how democracy looks to the rest of the world.....
First, America is the greatest Nation on Earth who’s history is of helping people and nations. Yes, we have had low moments but there is no comparison in my view.

Second, Ayres is a murdering anarchist who wished he had done more. Obama started his political career from Ayres’s home and calls him friend. Wright is a racist, anti-American spewing; former Pastor of the Church Obama joined and belonged for decades. Obama considered Wright family until he realized it was best to throw him under the bus given his Presidential desires!

It is amazing you attempt to make conservatives and others BTW, the bad guys for pointing this out and demanding it fully addressed.


Third, can you give any credible site where McCain and Palin are actually inciting violence? The truth is it was Obama who frenzied his followers by encouraging them to get into people's faces! "I want you to talk to them whether they are independent or whether they are Republican. I want you to argue with them and get in their face" http://nicedeb.wordpress.com/2008/09/18/obamas-marching-orders-get-in-their-faces/

This really is a poor try LeBuick and I defend the Bible from beginning to end! Read any of my posts. In addition, I named numerous issues other than abortion which included Homosexuality, Infanticide, and Scriptural truths. These issues are not simply addressed in one page of the Bible.


Coming from someone who cannot decide or defend when life begins or should be truly cherished, your comments are not surprising. As witnessed in threads referenced above and found in “Bush vetoes stem cell bill as promised” http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=31739 and “When does life and soul begin" http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=32053

You blatantly lied about the death of your sister from your mother’s purported abortion. You should have been thoroughly ashamed considering millions do die and women do suffer from such. You then chose to misrepresent me for a second time and then left the discussion.

Many days later as I followed up in concern such was clarified in a P.S.

I am sorry but not only is this pathetic but it goes against everything Scriptural.

I don't have to defend the Bible or God's Word it stands on Its’ Own. I do so however because the Bible instructs us to. The Bible and our Lord and Savior deal with death, sin, damnation, life, and everlasting issues from beginning to end. Such things as would include infanticide, homosexuality, sanctity of marriage and sanctity of life. All issues Obama stands in contrast to Scripture. Here are some "pages" of Scripture for you to consider.
Gen. 29:31-30:24, Gen.20:17-18, Exodus 21:22-24, Psalm 127:3-5, Prov 5:3, Prov 22:14, Job 3:1-3, Job 10:8, Jer 1:5, , Matt 1:18-21, Matt 5:32, Matt 7:15, Matt 18:3, Matt 19:13-14, Matt 24:11-24, Matt 19:9, Mark 13:22, Luke 1:34-37, Luke 1:41-44, Luke 1:24, Luke 1:13, , Luke 6:26, Luke 2:10-21, Rom 1:29, Acts 15:29, 1 Cor 5:1-9, 1 Cor 6:9-18, 1 Thes 4:3, Jude 7, 1 Sam 1, Ezra 9:14, Heb 13:4, Isaiah 44:24, 1 Tim 6:13, 2 Pet 2:1, 1 John 4:1, Rev 21:8 etc.

Otherwise, start with Genesis and end with Revelations. I am not voting for McCain because he is such a great leader but he is better. Do not worry about justifying yourself to me.


In Christ

 

You type many words that contribute nothing towards solving the problem. You can rant about the Democrats all day, and fail to address the problem with Republicans and abortion.

As you said, God's Word stands on its own. Evil is evil. The Democrats and Republicans alike have proven for decades their approval of abortion. The Democrats give the stamp of approval, and the Republicans use the lives of the unborn to pander Christian votes, both born in the pits of hell.

So would you please explain to us how electing one evil over the other solves the problem? Maybe you are not really a conservative.

 

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