McLaren to Celebrate Ramadan with Muslims

Also, you will not see any "love" or "acceptance" in Jonah's message. He actually WANTED Ninevah's destruction.

 

But Judaism rejects Christ as savior today, reject the Trinity, and rejects salvation through the Savior. Using the same measuring stick, they therefore qualify as a false religion.

As per above, a deity devoid of Jesus is not the God of the Bible. Hence, Judaism is therefore a false religion.

 

Once again, the omniscient Curtis has the amazing and uncanny ability to deem when people are lying. Not.

 

Since Jesus was fully human, there's nothing to suggest that Jesus stopped learning when he got to adulthood. The idea would contradict the nature of humankind.

I agree. Scripture is silent on the topic, which is why I noted very expressly that I don't agree with McLaren.

I think you might be reading too much into his words. Are you prehaps thinking that McLaren was implying inspiration in a similar manner that scripture is inspired? Even though I don't defend McLaren, I don't believe that's what he was saying.

The fact alone of McLaren joining Muslims for Ramadan doesn't bother me in and of itself. However, I find his reasoning for doing to to be bothersome. I think I've made that rather plain here.

 

BIG SURPRISE, I'm going to agree with you here.

Biblically this is true.

 

Never, ever apologize for doing what is right; (in this case, showing the love of Christ to a non-believer). My hat is off to you, and another soul was saved by the drawing of the Holy Spirit. :thumbs::godisgood:

 

My pastor held a Seder just to show to the ones who where interested, what was involved. I know I will get slammed for this, but, before Christ, being a Jew was the only way to the one true God. Think about it. If Christ had not come yet and died on the cross,(over 2000 years ago), wouldn't you want to be a Jew following the one true God?
And yes, I love the chance you got to talk about Christ.:jesus:

 

I don't buy it, and don't care what you think. Show me in scripture where compromise has resulted in a single conversion.

I'll save you some work....you can't.

 

That's not true, as Muhammad did initially start with a form of Judaism, yet moved it further away from orthodoxy as they rejected him. The Arabic "allah" is derived from the Hebrew "eloah" via the Aramaic "Elah".
If it is a false god, it is false for the same reasons Judaism would be in error. People make a big issue with Allah/Islam because (besides this Christian Zionist "Jews are on our side, Islam is the enemy of both" mindset) they are hung up in this "Allah was one of 360 gods" myth. What happened was that the Arabs (who are also from Abraham and once knew the true God) began worshipping all these other things besides God, who then became lost in a pantheon, just as kept happening in Israel.

So I wish we would quit singling Islam out in comparison to Judaism. It serves no purpose but to sidetrack the real issue. The two religions are very much similar when it comes to the question of "what will you do with this Jesus?" (Islam is a bit closer in granting Him the title "Messiah", but both reject Him as Son of God and Savior).

I would say that most Jewish practices are more trustworthy or "sanitary" than Islamic ones, since they did have biblical, God-inspired roots.

 

Islam does not worship God, they worship satan. Islam is nothing but an invention of satan, intended to lead people away from a true relationship with God through Jesus.

 

We should be careful with this "they worship satan". To worship Satan is a specific charge of directing worship towards Satan, rather than worshipping a deity they are saying is the Creator. If you go to them saying this, you will only go off track and cause a fight.
Paul spoke of people worshipping God, but not according to knowledge. Even the pagans he said this about regarding the "unknown God" they had an altar to.
So the point is that they are trying to reach God according to a false gospel that will not save. Or "not worshipping according to Spirit and truth". And Judaism is the same way, along with every other religion, yet most would never accuse Judaism of worshipping Satan. We are not even usually that hard on the "cult" groups that we say follow another Jesus (JW's, etc). So I'm seeing some particular antagonism against Islam with these strong words, (again, due to the political hostility some of them have towards us, plus the "one out of 360" myth), and I think we need to cool it a bit if we want to be witnesses to them.

 

A person can worship God, the God of the bible, or they can worship satan, there is nothng else, all other religions and objects of worship are from satan.
the God of the bible is not named allah, there are no similarities. People are blinded by satan into believing this

 

This has caused a large debate among the largest swedish baptist denomination, Evangeliska Frikyrkan. The chairman on his blog wrote that McLaren was in error. The Dean of the ÖTH seminary thinks not. The debate has been very heated.

For those of you who might read Swedish, here is the blog that started it all http://www.stefansward.se/

 

I'm not evangelizing to a muslim right now. I am speaking with other Christians and in that company I can certainly speak the absolute truth and say that muslims worship satan, as do JWs, as do the hindu, etc. Obviously if I am evangelizing to a muslim, or a person of another faith, I am not going to yell at them and tell them they are satan worshippers.

 

allah is a different language, and it does translate into the biblical Hebrew terms for God.
Where the similarities end is in what the religion attributes to him. That's where the falsehood is, not in the name. Again, this is sidetracking.

Actually, you are possibly witnessing to them right now; as they could be reading this.

And the first thing they will see in many places is that they are worshipping Satan because of the name they use, even moreso than because of the rejection of the Son (which is of course taken as a given, while the name issue is what is emphasized over and over).

Salvation for them is not changing the language one says elohim in, it's solely in recognizing their need for a savior and accepting Jesus as that savior.