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No I don't think that he would. But now I am one answer ahead, you owe me one!

 

Sure. You singled out "bearing false witness" as someting intolerable, and then implied that other sins are less than intolerable. So, since it is one of the ten commandments, I wondered if you considered the others to also be intolerable transgressions.

 

Got it. thanks.

 

Thanks for sharing that, Michael. My personal experience is not nearly as broad, from a Christian perspective. I've been in the same church all my life and my exposure to other groups is focused mainly on those expressions that are nearby. I did go to a Southern Baptist college and thereby discovered that not all Southern Baptists are the back-woods, pulpit-screaming, Bible-thumping ignorant hicks that some people in my church had a tendency to think that they were. In fact, the Bible department there is absolutely top-notch and right on target.

I guess I never really paid much attention to what brand of "Baptist" I was, not realizing how many different brands there were. I knew that my own church always considered itself as independent and autonomous but compared to what I see posted here, obviously not fundamentalist (we cooperate with Methodists, Disc. of Christ, Episcopalians and I think even Lutherans in some community ministries). We also have had ordained women on staff, we have ordained women deacons and have ordained one woman in the past who is now serving as a pastor of a Southern Baptist church in Nevada.

I wouldn't worry about being divorced, either. First of all, it is God that calls you, not the legalistic, literalistic interpreters of scripture that take the letter over the intent. God forgives all sin. And forgets. And reconciles. And restores. And all that is in the BIBLE for those who really want to understand, instead of being doctrine police.

After all, isn't Charles Stanley one of the big time, national, well-known influential big shots that holds the strings of power in the SBC? Isn't he pastor of FBC Atlanta, one of the big time fundamentalist churches in the SBC. And isn't he (**gasp, choke, choke, cough, ahem, ahem**) divorced?

 

Michael: Since you seem to have been in every denomination, Brother Jeff and I come from the same doctrine of worship. I never saw Primitive Baptist on the churches you visited. I believe Brother Jeff invited you to avail yourself and visit the Primitive Baptist in your area.

He offered you the hand of Christian fellowship and welcomed you to our church. If you want to keep searching continue as you have done in the past, but if you want to end your searching come see us. It can only help as it seems you have been hurt enough.

Rev 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely... God Bless You Micheal... Come and go with us and we will do thee good... Brother Glen

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: tyndale1946 ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Michael Wrenn:
[I've met some good people here, and I've found a friend in Jeff Weaver, who, BTW, I have considerable doctrinal differences with. Jeff, though, hasn't called me a heretic and condemned me to hell the way some of you "loving Christian brothers" have.

[ October 17, 2001: Message edited by: Barnabas ][/QB]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

There are now 2 pages of this thread with Michael Wrenn taking about his favorite subject - himself. There are also dozens of other posts by him espousing unbiblical viewpoints and denials of the basic tenets of the faith. How much is enough??

 

Unbiblical in your opinion, maybe. Well I'm impressed, Chris. Can you tell?

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: ellis ]

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by ellis:
Unbiblical in your opinion, maybe. Well I'm impressed, Chris. Can you tell?

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That's the whole point; its not a matter of opinion . It only matters what saith the LORD.

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Temple ]

 

Chris,

There's a very long history in baptist life of the importance of testimony. Priesthood of the Believer is essentially worthless if we don't share our stories with each other.

Joshua

 

On a debate forum our views will be challenged and yes even attacked and at times called "heresy". That is not meanspirited but honest debate. Part of a debate is to attack another person's arguments and ideas. Sarcasm is also fair ..as long as it is not made personaly against somebody.

The problem gets when personal attacks are made. To be honest (and I must confess, I sometimes go days or weeks without visiting this forum so I don't know what's on every thread) I haven't seen anyone condemned to hell.

To call Arminianism a major theological error or Open Theism heresy is fair game in much the same way Michael came on hear trashing Calvinism. If you dish it out on a debate forum, you will receive flak back.

I have nothing against anyone on this forum though I might disagree with arguments and view others beliefs as wrong or heretical. I personaly like a debate forum with diverse views. A debate forum where everybody agrees is Boring.

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: Kiffin ]

 

Michael Wrenn ..... the only place I see you accused of being a heretic is where you state <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> I WILL NOT attempt to discuss ANYTHING with ANYONE who says I am a heretic and bound for hell.

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I would say that you need to not accuse people of saying things they have not said. Brother Wells is trying to have a debate on a theological issue, you on the other hand seem to take everyting personally.

Bill

 

Chris Temple said:

There are now 2 pages of this thread with Michael Wrenn taking about his favorite subject - himself. . . . How much is enough??

Now we're well into the third page. For someone who has just said "goodbye forever!" this is sure taking a long time . . .

 

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Chris Temple:


That's the whole point; its not a matter of opinion . It only matters what saith the LORD.

[ October 18, 2001: Message edited by: Chris Temple ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

The problem is, I can't discover the point at which you were personally appointed as God's spokesman, to interpret for the rest of us what he has "said".

As far as to this debate extending well into the third page, maybe that is because the mean spirited people can't seem to stop getting their digs in.

At least it hasn't deteriorated into a KJV-only debate!