Megachurch pastor rejects his father’s bigotry: Jesus would want you to bake a gay wedding cake

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    Megachurch pastor rejects his father’s bigotry: Jesus would want you to bake a gay wedding cake

    The head of an Atlanta megachurch has rejected his pastor father’s hateful views on homosexuality and says the church should be the “safest place on the planet” for gay young people.

    Andy Stanley, who has turned North Point Ministries into one the nation’s largest churches, said Christians must stop driving gay teens away from the church – saying that politics should not overrule biblical teachings, reported Project Q.

    There is not consensus in this room when it comes to same-sex attraction; there is not consensus in this room when it comes to gay marriage,” Stanley told a gathering of church leaders last month in California. “We just can’t continue to look into the filter of our politics at our spirituality. It’s got to be the other way around — and specifically when it comes to this issue.”

    His views stand in stark contrast to his father – who once hired armed security guards on horseback to protect his church from Atlanta gay pride marchers.

    Charles Stanley, pastor of the First Baptist Church Atlanta, has said AIDS is God’s punishment for America’s acceptance of homosexuality – which he describes as “destructive behavior.”

    The anti-LGBT pastor teaches that being gay is a choice that can be overcome, and he said accepting gay people is “disobedience to God.”

    His son, however, urged Christians to “take a break” from the culture wars for a year and lead by example.

    “If all the Christians for just one year, would quit looking at porn, would quit smoking weed, would quit having premarital sex, would quit committing adultery, would pay their taxes, and every church just foster one kid — in one year our nation would feel different,” said the younger Stanley at the Catalyst West gathering.

    “There are so many Christians, so basically — if we would just be better Christians, everything we would like to see changed for the most part would change,” he added.

    Andy Stanley has spoken out against “religious freedom” legislation that allows Christians to deny service to gay customers, saying such discrimination violates biblical teachings.

    “Serving people we don’t see eye to eye with is the essence of Christianity,” he said. “Jesus died for a world with which he didn’t see eye to eye. If a bakery doesn’t want to sell its products to a gay couple, it’s their business — literally. But leave Jesus out of it.”

    The younger Stanley’s church has gained a reputation for being “gay-friendly,” and he explained that he treats LGBT congregants the same as anyone else.

    That’s reflected in his recent book, “The New Rules for Love, Sex and Dating,” which does not directly address LGBT issues – which he said was by design after meeting with gay members of his church.

    “I asked them if they wished I would have addressed them specifically, since all of my illustrations and teaching assumed heterosexual relationships,” Stanley said. “These men and women unanimously said no. They said that in the LGBT community, when they attend church, they are accustomed to contextualizing all the relationship teaching anyway.”

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    What "bigotry?" The kind like Jesus' bigotry against the temple money changers? Paul's bigotry against the man who "had his father''s wife" in I Corinthians 5? Peter's bigotry against Simon the sorcerer? Okay, take your pick-- chase them out with a whip, excommunicate them, or tell them to perish with their sin. Don't we believe in awful book that sanctions bigotry and prescribes hateful actions? After all, they're only sins, ain't it?

    As far as baking a cake for them, I would handle it this way... I would do it, probably for an extra charge for something I don't usually put on it, then I would make it plain that half the money goes directly to a church like Charles Stanley's, or some organization that pushes biblical ethics. Depending on the prosperity of the business, maybe all such proceeds would go there. I'd just sure let them know it.
     
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    “If all the Christians for just one year, would quit looking at porn, would quit smoking weed, would quit having premarital sex, would quit committing adultery, would pay their taxes, and every church just foster one kid — in one year our nation would feel different,” said the younger Stanley at the Catalyst West gathering.

    Well, amen to that!

    I'm trying to find something to disagree with what Andy Stanley said, but I can't.
     
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    Not baking a cake for someone because they are gay.
     
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    What "bigotry?"

    Oh, do you do so, or are you a bigot?
     
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    The issue is cake for a gay wedding.

    It would behoove those who claim to be walking in light to speak truthfully.

    Would He who defined marriage as the union of one man and one woman make a cake for a gay wedding? Would Jesus attend one?
     
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    “There are so many Christians, so basically — if we would just be better Christians, everything we would like to see changed for the most part would change,” he added.

    Actually, the more Christlike one becomes, the more he is hated by the world.
     
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    I wonder how old are Zaac and InThe[Light]? I remember the [sodomite] protests spoken of, and their attacks on churches not just in Atlanta.
     
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    Yes, Jesus would attend one. Jesus was continually accused by those who did not like him of eating and drinking with sinners. Also he talked with the totally unacceptable, the leper and the Samaritan woman. The only people he came down hard on were the self-righteous, legalistic conservatives of his day.

     
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    So would He attend Mohammad's wedding to his nine-year-old bride?

    *You know (deleted offensive phrase) No, maybe you don't.
     
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    Hmmm. Did He carouse with them? Jam with them? Winc* and give them the thumb's up?

    Had to misspell so the infernal BB code didn't automatically put a winking smiley in there.
     
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    Troy, would you bake a cake and decorate it wish a swastika for a big nazi rally if asked to do so?
     
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    Here's the reasoned answers to my questions. Christ is the Truth. He didn't entertain or winc* at falsehood in any form. When He told the woman at the well that the man with whom she was living was not her husband, it wouldn't matter what she or the man imagined, nor the decree of any magistrate. The man with whom she was living was not her husband, and He knows that because of what constitutes a marriage.

    And so, in the workplace, Christ would not refer to a transgendered individual in terms consistent with its imagined "gender identity." Did His Father make the the individual a male or a female? Then the individual is a male or a female according to Creation, and not according to one's corrupt imagination regardless of any false statutory or company directive, and Christ would interact with that individual on the basis of truth.

    There is no such thing as a gay wedding. Gay weddings are lies. A man cannot marry another man, nor a woman another woman regardless of the decrees of ones affections or corrupt magistrates. Marriage is the union of one man and one woman. Anything else is sodomy, and Christ would not sanction sodomy.

    *Had to misspell to keep this stupid system from automatically populating a smiley.
     
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    What does that say of those in this thread who would call that bigotry?
     
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    Why the suggested vulgarity? If you mean it, write it out since everyone knows what you mean.
     
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    For the same reason gosh, darn, golly-gee and jeez aren't censored. How old are you?
     
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    Time out! Being Samaritan is not sinful. Being a leper is not sinful.

    Being a h*m*sexual, however, is sinful.

    Crabby, meet Romans Chapter 1 verses 24 thru 32.
    Romans Chapter 1 verses 24 house 32, meet Crabby.

    It is really presumptuous for us to say Christ would attend a ghey wedding
     
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    [Crabby] doesn't yield to Scripture. Like Zaac, he filters it through his politics.
     
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