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Discussion in '2000-02 Archive' started by Scott_Bushey, Nov 23, 2002.
What is your position?
Membership or no membership and why?
question#1 sitting at table
question#2 they wouldn't let me in here otherwise.
oh! you mean church don't you? / have not been to a church where they don't ask for membership,as for wal-mart,toys-r-us,burgerqueen,macdonalds,etc.
those are life sustaining questions usually mine!
Sorry Scott_Bushey, but the question is not clear. Are you inquiring membership priviledges to the Frequent Flyer Club or what?
I see we all have the Saturday morning silly's........I was referring to membership in the Mickey Mouse Club! Can't you see my ears?
I think Scott meant the Calvin Counter-Culture Committee of Commited Calvinists Council.
(Sorry, Scott,,I couldn't resist it....)
This is a good question. We are currently attending a church in which we have been faithful but are not official members. There are a few issues that we don't necessarily agree with and because of this we haven't joined. It has been brought up, even from the pulpit, but to do so would compromise our beliefs. I know that the body of Christ is made up of members but what constitutes being a member? Going before the church or faithful attendance? To me is seems if you are faithful you have made the commitment in your heart.
The church is: Visible @ a local level and invisible from the spiritual perspective.
The term "members" is used in scripture to denote both concepts.
Local assemblies are identified in scripture, i.e. the epistles, the churches mentioned in the book of Rev.
As the advertising slogan has it; "Membership has its privileges."
Wife is a member, I am not. She is Anglican, and I am a Baptist. Oh, we attend an Anglican Church because there is no Baptist Church within reasonable distance.
On membership: I would join the local Baptist Church even if I could not agree on all points. Membership is required to teach Sunday School, lead in other activities, have a vote at business meetings and general involvement in the church.
As a minister, membership didn't mean a whole lot to me. I was happy to see people attending. I kept information cards on all people, even first-time visitors. If someone, like yourself, was attending regularly, and I knew your were a Baptist, I would prolly enquire about possible membership, for thought of getting you involved in the church's activities.
Again, as a pastor who moved about, I never thought about my own membership. My membership in a church remains with my original "home" church in Canada. I was never officially asked to join any of my churches, yet I was a member ex-officio of all committees in that church.
Interesting question, come to think about it.
I love ya brother!
There must be some formal recognition that an individual is a member of Christ, and that he is committed to a particular local body.
A thought occurred to me reading this.
Here in the free-to-worship West, we tend to use membership to identify those who are serious about their faith. It may or may not be accurate, but it's a try.
However, where the Christian church is persecuted, no one has to ask about membership. If you attend, braving persecution, you are a member, period! Those not serious about their faith are not going to risk persecution, either.
Here in the free-to-worship West, we tend to use membership to identify those who are serious about their faith.
I would have to agree with you. I used to be a part of a church who did not have memebership.
But just for the record, the church I now am part of, this is not why I became a member. I would imagine there are a few who understand it as such, but this is (IMO) the wrong understanding.
One needs to ask if the scriptures have called those of the invisible body of Christ to be *literally* attached to a local assembly of believers. The scripture that exhorts one to not forsake the gathering of the Lords people is not intended to imply that Christians should fellowship one with the other. This is a call to gather as a unit. This unit is not the gathering of the universal body, but the gathering together of the local church,i.e. The church @ Corinth, Ephesus, etc. In 1 Cor 11:18 Paul states to the Corinthians, "...when you come together as a church.....". His implication is that the gathering of the saints make up "a church...a local one". His next statement is that there are *divisions* among them. It just would not make sense he was referring to the invisible church.
This is where the difference between the invisible body of Christ is in contrast to a local assembly of believers. For instance, Church "A" in the 10/40 window of the world is roused by local officials. Here the local church is targeted. This local assembly has 150 members. Three of these members are jailed for their individual faith for Christ. One goes from being "local" to the position of standing for or as the invisible body of Christ.
[ November 23, 2002, 02:17 PM: Message edited by: Scott_Bushey ]
For membership. That way the congregation and elders have "guidance" and "control" of doctrine, teaching, workers, music, officers/leadership, etc
From the Acts/Epistles we see the local body of believers voting and handling matters. This is not a "mystical" matter for the "universal" church. It is day-to-day working in a body.
I am a member of:
Right to Life
National Rifle Association
Liberty Baptist Church
American Red Cross
numerous Alumni Associations and civic clubs
Each of these are real people, real rules/regs, real obligations. Can't imagine a local church any different . . .