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Mexico Threatens to Go to United Nations If US Builds Security Fence

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  1. Revmitchell

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    The latest news coming to us from south of the border is that the Mexican government is threatening to go to the United Nations with their complaints about the building of a fence and other security measures. It will be interesting to see how much power the UN is permitted to exert over US policy especially when it comes to sovereignty.

    If a US State Department report is created regarding this situation it should be called, "Chutzpah South of the Border."

    So here we have a corrupt government in Mexico calling on a corrupt international organization of thugs, despots and America-haters to thwart the United [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]States [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]gov[FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]ernment's[/FONT][/FONT] actions to protect the American people.

    According to a just-released report by the [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]US [/FONT][/FONT][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]Congress, [/FONT][/FONT]despite various reform efforts, significant inefficiencies in United Nations management operations persist. In September 2005, heads of UN member states approved a resolution that called for a series of reforms to strengthen the organization.

    As the largest financial contributor to the UN, the United States has a strong interest in the progress of [FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica][FONT=verdana, arial, helvetica]UN [/FONT][/FONT]reform initiatives. To address these objectives, the Government Accountabilty Office reviewed documents proposing UN management reform and interviewed US and UN officials.

    Most of the UN management reforms in the five areas GAO examined -- management operations of the Secretariat, oversight, ethical conduct, review of programs and activities, and human rights -- are either awaiting General Assembly review or have been recently approved. In addition, many proposed or approved reforms do not have an implementation plan that establishes time frames and cost estimates.

    First, in July 2006, the General Assembly approved proposals to improve the management operations of the Secretariat, such as upgrading information technology systems and giving the Secretary-General some flexibility in spending authority. In addition, in fall 2006, the General Assembly will review other proposals, such as procurement and human resource reforms.

    Second, implementation of proposals to improve the UN's oversight capabilities, such as strengthening the capacity of the Office of Internal Oversight Services and establishing the Independent Audit Advisory Committee, are pending General Assembly review in fall 2006.

    Third, the UN established an ethics office with temporary staff in January 2006 that has developed an internal timetable for implementing key initiatives.

    However, it is much too early to determine whether the office will be able to fully carry out its mandate.

    Fourth, UN member states agreed to complete a review of UN programs and activities in 2006, but progress has been slow and the results and time line for completion remain uncertain.

    Fifth, the General Assembly created a new Human Rights Council in April 2006, but significant concerns remain about the council's structure. GAO identified several factors that may affect the UN's ability to fully implement management reforms.

    Although all UN member states agree that UN management reforms are needed, disagreements about the overall implications of the reforms could significantly affect their progress. Most member states are concerned that some of the reforms could increase the authority of the Secretariat at the expense of the General Assembly, thus decreasing their influence over UN operations.

    Member states also disagree on some of the specifics of the reforms in areas such as the review of programs and activities and the role of the Deputy Secretary-General. The general absence of an implementation plan for each reform that establishes time frames and cost estimates could affect the UN's ability to implement the reform initiatives. Without establishing deadlines or determining cost estimates, it is difficult to hold managers accountable for completing reform efforts and ensure that financing will be available when needed.

    Administrative guidance, such as staff regulations and rules that implement General Assembly resolutions, could complicate the process of implementing certain human resource reform proposals. For example, according to the Secretary-General, the General Assembly established a number of conditions for outsourcing that severely restrict the circumstances under which it can be contemplated.

    Hopefully, the US Ambassador to the United Nations, John Bolton, will urge the UN to continuing cleaning up their side of the street before them stick their noses into what's obviously the internal workings of the US government. And Mexico would be wise to work on their economy and national policies before they try to work on our's.

    http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/19034.html
     
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  2. El_Guero

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    . . . We have let millions of muslims immigrate . . . even though many of them are from places where they were killing their Christian neighbors.

    . . . but, we refuse to let millions of native americans to enter america with work visas . . . work visas that they pay the USA for . . .

    Why do we discriminate for the people that are not native americans? Why do we penalize native americans?

    I don't get it.

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  3. Revmitchell

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    The fence is for "Illegal Immigration".
     
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    Mexicans try to come in legally and they loose the money that they paid the USA to get in for work.

    There are roughly 7 million muslims here . . . allowing mexicans to work in america legally, would have (1) almost completely eliminated illegal immigration, (2) given us a stronger ally south of the border, (3) reduced the risks from militant muslims in america . . .

    http://www.allied-media.com/AM/AM-profile.htm
     
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  5. El_Guero

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    So let's FIX legal work status in america.

     
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  6. Revmitchell

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    I am all for that once they go home and come back through an appropriate screening process. I also think they should pay some sort of immigration status tax on a per dollar earned. They are sending way to much m oney back to mexico and not putting it back into our economy.
     
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    If Mexico has the nerve to complain to the UN because we are protecting our borders we should totally shut down the southern border for a period of time to make a serious point. During that time we should build a fence, place armed guards (military), police/border patrols, and create a zero tolerance policy. Several entrance points should be established through which legal entry could be gained once the border is reopened. Anyone who tries to cross illegally would be arrested and taken back. O, and anyone who tried to cross illegally would be finger printed, photographed, and booked before they were sent back. That person would "NEVER" be allowed to enter the US legally.

    That is our border. It does not belong to Mexico and it certainly does not belong to the United Nations. If Bush is half the man he claims to be he will tell them all to take a hike.
     
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  8. poncho

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    We should just tell the UN and Mexico that this is our country and we make the rules here. Then undo everything the Clintons, Bushes and the multinational corporations that own them have done to undermine our sovereignty...period.
     
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    I like that plan.:thumbs:
     
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    Well, don't hold your breath as long as we keep getting sucked into and side tracked by debates about dems vs reps and libs vs cons we're going keep being conned out of everything this country ever was or stood for by the globalist puppets we keep empowering. Like the Bush Clinton coalition.
     
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  11. The Galatian

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    I would think that the UN should first work on countries that build fences to keep their people from escaping.

    Meantime, Mexico should relax it's own laws against immigrants, before they criticize the US.
     
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    They do? What money they paid the US to get in and work? You're not referring to the smugglers or are you implying every Mexican who is here illegally first paid us money that we took so then they came by other means?

    The 7 million Muslims came through the front door. The applied for a visa and complied with all the rules for entry. Mexican's can also work in this country legally, they just need to come in through the front door so we know they are here. The problem is with those who have come via the backdoor or windows. Those are here illegally, and with anyone who is illegal, they are criminals, broken the law and should be treated as such. If they do their time for the crime they should be allowed to enter the legal or correct way and be forgiven.

    The main problem with the number of illegal immigrants, is it shows the massive hole we have where not just Mexican's looking for work or a better life can sneak through, anyone can come along with them. Unfortunately to shut the hole for the rest of them means also closing out the Mexican entry sytem.
     
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    And then, when they overstay their visas, they take planes and ram them into buildings. We have no real system in place to track the millions of "front door" people once they are here. Also, even if someone is deported by a court, they are hardly ever detained for deportation. They just disappear into the masses.
     
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    It might be the one time we actually see the UN get serious and get tough against a nation when it is us.

    Let em go to the UN. I say kick the UN out of America along with all the illegal imigrants.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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    Correct but there were no drugs or alcohol inolved in the accident. They also had a liscense to fly the planes so at least they were law abiding. (ok, bad joke)

    I agree but this has to be phase two of fixing the system. First we need to know who is here and stop the flow of those we don't know. I believe then a national database can be created so if someone is stoped for some reason or tries to apply for government aid they can be identified. This will have to be by finger print or rhetna scan because there can only be so many Jose Martinez or Mohammod Zibbier. This will all take time and most of all money. It's going to strain local as well as federal budgets.

    My question is will it take another 9/11 before American's really take this seriously and agree to commit the money? This is why we must stop the foolish tax spending, get serious like with a line item veto and put our money where it does the country some good.
     
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    That is what is supposed to happen legally right now . . .

    ;)

    We need to fix all of the illegal activity that goes on on OUR side of the border.

     
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    Your posts do not deserve a decent response. But, first, quit discriminating against Mexicans just because you don't like them.

    I have been there and seen the discrimination. If we discriminated against the muslims that way, we would still have a WTC.



     
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    Sad but true . . .

    And people do not want to own up to the fact that the system is truly broken. It is so much easier to blame the mexican for what he (she) had absolutely nothing to do with.

    I don't want illegals here. I want us to allow the legals to work here. Send home all of the muslims that have come over. If they are not a citizen today, send them home tomorrow.

    Then let the mexicans get the work visas that they pay for and let them be guest workers like it supposed to be - instead of letting in muslims that killed off their Christian neighbors.

     
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    Wayne, I don't believe I discriminate it's just the hole points right at Mexico. If the Canadians were flooding the borders I'd say the same about them. I love everybody and want all people to have access to a good life.

    If you read your post, that is reverse descrimination. I know how you feel but any time a person being here has the word illegal in the description then I call them a criminal. If we turn our backs and say all is forgiven then we should open the prisons doors also. Fair is fair.
     
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    I don't care who they are. If they are here illegally, they should be sent home.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
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